China urges citizens to trade in 'old lithium e-bikes' for newer lead acid electric bikes
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I thought AGM were considered "deep cycle", as in designed for their full capacity to be used between charges.
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Damn I'd have atleast waited until sodium ion was built out
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Ehh they need to do sodium batteries
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And even if you only cycle lead batteries above 50% SOC, they will still last a significantly shorter amount of time, especially compared to LiFePo4 batteries.
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The headline means newly manufactured e-bikes with lead acid batteries.
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Estonia
Bestonia
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I'm Singaporean and we've had a ton of apartments burnt down because of these imported Chinese ebikes already.
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The safety thing is 100% true but only part of the picture.
E-bikes don’t need maximum energy density because they’re not gonna be used for long trips and are significantly lighter than cars and trucks.
China has many, many more electric vehicles than any other country and a ton of electricity production to run them. At some point it’s gonna become important to save the lithium batteries for the stuff that needs that high density power.
Maybe these better chemistries that will replace lithium are just around the corner. I certainly don’t count unhatched chickens.
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Thanks! The other reply obviously meant well but was a bit mansplainey !
My situation is, I've recently purchased a camper trailer. It's wired up but needs a battery. I haven't had time to "research" other than seeing what batteries people are selling second hand. It seemed to me that everyone was using AGM batteries for this purpose and while I knew that AGM referred to the physical structure of glass mesh I had assumed it was synonymous with deep cycle batteries.
Now I've read about it a bit more I realise that LiFePO4 batteries are superior but more costly.
I guess, the reason why I was seeing AGM batteries everywhere is because everyone's buys them because they're cheap and then realises they really needed LiFePO4 so they try to sell the AGM and upgrade.
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I’m a wet cell lead acid man myself.
There’s the monthly battery fluid level check to contend with but if you can make sure it doesn’t tip over too often or too long and you can bank on being able to get to civilization once every six or ten years then you’re in the low total cost of ownership ecosystem.
Of course, they’re not as good in the cold and if you screw up and let all the water leak out then you gotta fill it back up and hope it’s not too messed up.
Whatever you pick will be fine. Tbh if you’re not gonna have the trailer for longer than the life of the battery, pick the one that’s got more curb appeal or resale value!
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Do we have enough mineral resources for all the batterie needs to be to fulfilled with lithium only?
I guess china needs lithium in other places more and cheap. Therefore made this initiative. Makes sense for china to protect their lithium stack. International trade in near future gonna be a mess.
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Yeah, they should have just gone to the frontier of technology with carbon-air cells. It's weird, right? I thought China was a first mover in tech.
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Because new items can still use old technologies if it makes more sense to do so?
A 2025 vehicle with a manual radio sold for $30,000 might still sell better than a 2020 vehicle with a touchscreen dash for $25,000
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Fair enough.
It seems like on an e-bike Lithium would be the go due to it's higher energy density.
On a trailer you can house it in something appropriate and the size and weight requirements aren't as restrictive.
It seems like keeping the battery is a common practice when selling a trailer. That's why mine doesn't have one. A lot of people would never use one if they're always parked in someone's yard or in a powered site.
I doubt we will really need a battery at all over the next 6 months with the trips we have planned. Probably better to hold off until we have a few trips under our belt to determine exactly what appliances we're really going to need.
