Argentina's president bans gender-affirming care for people under age 18

[microwave@lemmy.world]

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[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Oh how cute! The fascist North and South America bros are having a genocide contest!

[zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Is this guy just a little ass fly hanging around Trump's crappy nappy or something?

[antonchigurh@lemmy.world]

This seems fair to me. Underage people can't get a tattoo, but they can cut their dick off in a hospital?

[lka1988@sh.itjust.works]

Nobody is doing that. "Gender-affirming care" also includes giving hormone blockers to a kid who started puberty way too early.

[hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

"cut their dick off" yeah that's exactly what gender affirming care is. This isn't about surgery, it's about HRT and puberty blockers, and the regret rates for all of those things are super low. Besides, there is already an epidemic of trans suicides. Do I need to repeat that? People are killing themselves because of transphobia, and yes, detransitioners exist, but most people don't regret getting gender reaffirming care, and again, this is about HRT and puberty blockers, not just surgery.

[jaderick@lemmy.world]

“As someone with no horse in this race, this seems fair to me”

[urpartnerincrime@sh.itjust.works]

Ok call me a bad guy about what follows, but I've been thinking a bit about this lately and I think I agree with this call. We don't let children make the "adult" decisions until they're either 18 or 21 in most places. We all may know a kids going to go nowhere in life and probably be a alcoholic later in life, but we don't give them alcohol now cause their brain is still developing.

Once your brain is developed? Go right ahead and do whatever you want. But until your brain is mostly done growing it's up to adults to protect children from those decisions. And unfortunately this is one of those decisions IMHO.

But like growing up as a straight dude I wanted bigger muscles, like another foot of height, and a dick that would make anyone jealous. Which all that would have made me feel the way I wanted, but no sane adult would actually take me serious if I asked. Now that I'm older I can do all those things and that'd be my perogative, but it's no longer necessary cause I love me for who I am. Which I only got there cause no adult would make me into a super human freak of a man at the age or 14.

So like, dress and act how you want, but actual genderaffirming care should be left till at least on can have a drink over it first.

[dasus@lemmy.world]

Just FYI, most "gender-affirming surgery" in the below 18 group is males having their moobs removed because male boobs are usually a source of social problems like being bullied in school.

So like, be as bigoted as you want, but don't pretend to be informed on the subject just because you feel like jumping on the right wing bandwagon. This will mostly affect straight young cis men if we're going purely by the numbers.

[urpartnerincrime@sh.itjust.works]

Really? Cause most people I've seen defend it, even in this thread, have been about hormone blockers and whatnot

[dasus@lemmy.world]

You mean how in the US they literally mutilate the genitalia of a majority of male children as soon as they are born and how no-one is doing anything about it?

I agree. That should be illegal.

Those babies can't possibly consent to having their prepuces removed. Forced genital mutilation. Fucking disgusting.

[dasus@lemmy.world]

On a statistical basis, really.

Trans people are a small minority compared to fat teenage boys.

Obviously this is aimed against trans people, so there's a clear difference in how it's received and it clearly affects trans people more politically, but according to numbers most gender affirming surgeries are indeed on cis males.

Of gender-affirming surgical procedures identified among adults and minors, 1591 of 2664 (59.7%) and 82 of 85 (96.4%) were chest-related procedures, respectively. Of the 636 breast reductions among cisgender male and TGD adults, 507 (80%) were performed on cisgender males. Of the 151 breast reductions among cisgender male minors and TGD minors, 146 (97%) were performed on cisgender male minors

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11211955/

Puberty blockers are maybe considered gender affirming care legally, idk, but technically it's the opposite of affirming. You can't use puberty blockers forever afaik, but you can use them to delay your decision possible gender affirming care until you're ready to make the decision. And with that sort of use, they've proven to be quite safe and effective.

[urpartnerincrime@sh.itjust.works]

Wow thanks for just straight up calling me fat.

And I'm the bad person.

But like, it doesn't matter where you draw the line in gender affirming care definitions, but by the definition were going on based on this thread it includes hormone blockers.

[dasus@lemmy.world]

How on Earth did I call you fat by pointing out that cis-males with obesity issues are far more common than trans people?

Guess you've some confidence to work on buddy, as talking about you didn't even cross my mind. I pointed out a fact about gender-affirming care. Honestly, I assume that people are more or less closer to my age on Lemmy, so I genuinely didn't consider that you might be actually a minor looking to get themselves some gender affirming care.

Yeah, puberty blockers are probably considered gender affirming care, but them not being included is just me being pedantic about the name. I guess "care which affirms your position of not being sure about your gender identity yet until you're old enough to make one".

[phdepressed@sh.itjust.works]

1. gender reassignment surgery is not done on minors with the exception of intersex babies(which itself is questionable ethics). Minors can and often do get a tattoos with parental approval.

2. They can also get psychological counciling and be referred to as a preferred name. These count as gender affirming care.

3. How is this affecting you? Why do you care what someone else does to their body?

[urpartnerincrime@sh.itjust.works]

Do you even read what your typing? or do you just get off on being a dick?

[dasus@lemmy.world]

Excuse me?

You're saying gender affirming care shouldn't exist for minors despite not knowing the facts then when the facts are pointed out, you start screaming about me calling you fat.

Get off your high horse.

How is you supporting right wing policies being less of a dick than me pointing out your support of right wing policies, which might be because you don't understand all the facts, not because you actually support the right, which is why I pointed out the facts which you took personal offense at?

[urpartnerincrime@sh.itjust.works]

Well you're the one who went off on a rant on something I didn't even bring. I was talking about hormone blockers and you went off onto surgeries. Then when I brought up how I also would have liked some gender affirming care when younger you said well there's less trans people than fat boys. I never brought up weight, it's another thing you brought up.

I just, you're attacking me for trying to express my opinion. I'm open for civil discussion but you've been on the offense. If you have any points for anything I actually brought up that would be cool