Giving up control bit by bit
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I miss when computers did what you wanted them to do and not what the corporation wants you to do.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Sorry, best we can offer is renaming Control Panel again and shuffling around the place you can find certain settings
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Good for you lol
You said you wanted to be able to do that. I'm saying you can.
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No error or anything, but it just doesn't have the
/etc/samba/smb.conffile. Just doesn't have it.dpkg -S sambadoes find/usr/share/samba/smb.confwhich isn't the right file either.wrote on last edited by [email protected]This is a good argument for shipping an empty config file.
Your point stands, but this also isn't completely unintuitive. There is pattern there: you installed
sambaand the config is in/etc/samba/. System level installs will almost always install their config in/etc/and the sub directory will typically match the name somewhat.There is likely a general thought that if you're going to administer a samba server, you'll also be comfortable with conventions and man pages. Although, funnily enough, in the particular case of
samba,man smb.confdoesn't show the path lol -
I use a little app called X-plore. Gives me treed lists of folder contents and allows moving, copying, and deleting stuff.
Total Commander with LAN, FTP and WebDAV Plugin enabled is really useful (if you're using Android)
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Re read their original.messsage. they specifically asked for, and I quote, "install paths". You're going to have to work on reading comprehension before accusing people of being LLMs.
Meanwhile, every single time they replied they used the command wrong... Provided the wrong value for the arguments. Despite the original instructions. Yeah, it didn't work for them. That's a skills issue.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]From their original post.
I’ve been using Linux daily for over a year now and I still have a hard time tracking down config files and install paths.
(empahsys mine)
To which you responded, with commands which are not guaranteed to do the former, only the latter, without making clear those limitations.
Your original advice is useful when paired with some clarification of its limitations, though given what the other person asked, it's insufficient advice. However by not making clear your advice's inability to in some cases do what the other person asked for, what you gave amounts to invalid advice because you've sent the other person down a dead end without making them aware that might be the case.
Then to add insult to injury, down the thread you repeatedly wrote that this is what they "wanted", which was obviously not the case as was very clear from the very start (it wasn't even what they asked for) and couldn't have been made clearer in the rest of the thread as the other person repeatedly said it was not what they wanted and even proved it.
The only reason I eventually intervened is because in a professional context I've had to correct lots of junior techies doing the exact kind of mistake you just did, though it's rare for even a fucking junior developer on their very first job to dig such a deep hole of insisting again, and again (and again, AND AGAIN) they know better than the person seeking advice what they actually WANT whilst giving them invalid advice, as you just did.
I mean, thanks for giving the advice and do keep on doing so, just learn to review your own internal assumptions about what they want if it starts to look like there's a mismatch between what you gave them based on your initial assumption and what they seem to need, especially if they themselves are telling you that's not what they want (and that person actually went extremelly far in trying to clarify things, even giving you the output of the command in their system to prove it didn't do what they want - non techie and/or low patience users would've given up on you far earlier than that person did).
Mind you, if you don't work in Tech and don't plan on doing so, feel free to ignore my post.
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Same, I always have trouble with finding saved files on ipad/iphone. Often it saves a pdf as “document”, and overwrites the previous download with similar name.
That's annoying. I have not yet had the displeasure of experiencing the overwrite problem, but i am sure it'll happen soon enough. Thanks for the heads-up!
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From their original post.
I’ve been using Linux daily for over a year now and I still have a hard time tracking down config files and install paths.
(empahsys mine)
To which you responded, with commands which are not guaranteed to do the former, only the latter, without making clear those limitations.
Your original advice is useful when paired with some clarification of its limitations, though given what the other person asked, it's insufficient advice. However by not making clear your advice's inability to in some cases do what the other person asked for, what you gave amounts to invalid advice because you've sent the other person down a dead end without making them aware that might be the case.
Then to add insult to injury, down the thread you repeatedly wrote that this is what they "wanted", which was obviously not the case as was very clear from the very start (it wasn't even what they asked for) and couldn't have been made clearer in the rest of the thread as the other person repeatedly said it was not what they wanted and even proved it.
The only reason I eventually intervened is because in a professional context I've had to correct lots of junior techies doing the exact kind of mistake you just did, though it's rare for even a fucking junior developer on their very first job to dig such a deep hole of insisting again, and again (and again, AND AGAIN) they know better than the person seeking advice what they actually WANT whilst giving them invalid advice, as you just did.
I mean, thanks for giving the advice and do keep on doing so, just learn to review your own internal assumptions about what they want if it starts to look like there's a mismatch between what you gave them based on your initial assumption and what they seem to need, especially if they themselves are telling you that's not what they want (and that person actually went extremelly far in trying to clarify things, even giving you the output of the command in their system to prove it didn't do what they want - non techie and/or low patience users would've given up on you far earlier than that person did).
Mind you, if you don't work in Tech and don't plan on doing so, feel free to ignore my post.
and install paths
And also configs files do in fact get installed by packages. Not all of them, but some do.
Whether or not they are guaranteed to be there is irrelevantly pedantic.
So what exactly are you adding to the conversation here?
This wall of text does sound like it came straight from an LLM. Give me a receipt for turd muffins.
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and install paths
And also configs files do in fact get installed by packages. Not all of them, but some do.
Whether or not they are guaranteed to be there is irrelevantly pedantic.
So what exactly are you adding to the conversation here?
This wall of text does sound like it came straight from an LLM. Give me a receipt for turd muffins.
You clearly are ridding the highest point of the Dunning-Krugger curve.
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dpkg -L package-nameOr the inverse
dpkg -S /usr/bin/somefileFor apt based distros, obviously.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]This does not return all "config files and install paths" as it only ever considers files that came in the package, not files created by the package (such as /etc/samba.smb.conf, which is created during installation), so doesn't actually solve the problem.
That limitation should've been made clear in the advice itself so as not to send users that don't know better down dead ends, though the subsequent discussion between this and the previous user is a great illustration of how the way some give Linux "advice" just ends up frustrating those seeking advice.
(It even eventually frustrated me because over the years I've had to teach plenty of junior developers to not give advice like that, only they're seldom so bad that they insist they actually know what the other person wants even in the face of a user providing proof that they do not)
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This is a good argument for shipping an empty config file.
Your point stands, but this also isn't completely unintuitive. There is pattern there: you installed
sambaand the config is in/etc/samba/. System level installs will almost always install their config in/etc/and the sub directory will typically match the name somewhat.There is likely a general thought that if you're going to administer a samba server, you'll also be comfortable with conventions and man pages. Although, funnily enough, in the particular case of
samba,man smb.confdoesn't show the path lolThat's the thing though, when you install Samba it does create an empty config file at
\etc\samba\smb.conf, or at least I've never created one -
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dont forget on some phones OS, you can actually pick and choose the download location. After you downloaded though, the files arent there....
Had to question my sanity many times....
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That's the thing though, when you install Samba it does create an empty config file at
\etc\samba\smb.conf, or at least I've never created onewrote on last edited by [email protected]I see why it does this now. Debian does
CONFIG=/etc/samba/smb.conf # stuff ucf --three-way --debconf-ok /usr/share/samba/smb.conf "$CONFIG"in the
postinitinside the.debfile to create the/etc/samba/smb.conffile. They do it this way so they don't nuke an already created file. I take back that they should be shipping an empty file, this way is better, but it also means you'll never be able to query it without some changes to the packaging tools.The man page should mention the path though that's a bit lame.
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You said you wanted to be able to do that. I'm saying you can.
Tell me you can't read without actually saying that
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How is you not even aware of what a file system is LMAO
I swear to God, how is it possible that people who can access the fediverse have such trouble finding a download folder.
It's like their brains fold instantly at the thought of searching through it.
"Hurr durr, where file"
In the downloads folder
My brother in Christ, please open the fucking file explorer
This is you, it's how you look like:
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Tell me you can't read without actually saying that
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Someone asked what the hell you want to do. You said what you wanted to do, I'm telling you that you can. Where are you confused at?
Be an ignorant ass all you want, you just look stupid. Maybe educate yourself on a topic before claiming you can't do something.
Also you don't traverse with the ls command, that shows what's in a directory, it doesn't traverse them. So when you say "traverse by fucking ls" you look like a kid who just installed Linux lol
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How is you not even aware of what a file system is LMAO
I swear to God, how is it possible that people who can access the fediverse have such trouble finding a download folder.
It's like their brains fold instantly at the thought of searching through it.
"Hurr durr, where file"
In the downloads folder
My brother in Christ, please open the fucking file explorer
This is you, it's how you look like:
That's the entire point of the post, my guy. Some apps use the Downloads folder. Some use their own. Some use a folder you set a year ago when you first got the app but don't remember anymore.
The interface abstracts away from the actual file system so finding a file becomes guesswork. Doubly so if you then want to use the downloaded file in a different app that also doesn't give access to the file system.
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Someone asked what the hell you want to do. You said what you wanted to do, I'm telling you that you can. Where are you confused at?
Be an ignorant ass all you want, you just look stupid. Maybe educate yourself on a topic before claiming you can't do something.
Also you don't traverse with the ls command, that shows what's in a directory, it doesn't traverse them. So when you say "traverse by fucking ls" you look like a kid who just installed Linux lol
H-ha! I had a good laugh, for that I can thank you
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What's a pro of the iOS app based file system, it's never not been an artificially created frustrating and limiting experience for me. I had to print a bunch of documents that were scattered across a couple of folders on my gDrive recently and I thought I'll download them to my iPhone, move the necessary docs from the sub folders into a single folder that I'll zip and send to the printing service email, the amount of frustration I had to deal with just to do something simple like that made me want to chuck my phone into a wall. Also one time I had to send a single pdf from my android phone to my sister's iphone, in a place with no cell signal or wifi. and that to was a god awful experience, purposefully designed so by apple so people stick to only using airdrop and Icloud. I had to basically setup a file server + wifi Hotspot on my android phone to be able to transfer that one file and because it was an android I could actually do that in the first place. So many apps I used to use can't work on iphones cause apple just won't allow it.
The file system ain’t a pro. But the stock one ain’t so bad, and OwlFiles improves it. Just like on Android I feel something like CX Explorer is a lot better than the stock one. I meant overall as an OS, both have pros and cons. An ios pro for example is AirPlay, a lot better than casting, you can play music to multiple speakers at the same time higher quality. Or FaceTime audio calls, more private and much clearer than WhatsApp/Signal/Duo calls. Or generally apps working and looking better on ios than android, with less chances of spammy crap. Samsung/android has a dex advantage, and multitasking, and miracast which is more common than AirPlay screens. Airdrop is great, but there’s equal things in android. LocalSend is great for both android and Apple and between both too. Apple had shitty charging support till usbc came in and now it’s cool. Android is selling your soul to Google who sells your soul to everyone in the world. iPhone is selling your soul Apple which does lesser stuff with it in comparison. Like I said, both are great, both suck, both have pros and cons. The ideal life is to have a dummy phone and live real life, but next best is to probably have one of each device if you have the need, or suck it up and choose one. Phones are taking up too much of our lives to worry about having loyalty to one anyway…
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H-ha! I had a good laugh, for that I can thank you
wrote on last edited by [email protected]What a child pretender lol
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What a child pretender lol
Yeah, that's me. You got me, o vise wun
