I agree
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Some cultures managed to last for tens of thousands of years without destroying the planet. Not all cultures and social structures are the same or have the same impact on their environments.
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Fucking pesky humans!
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desire for infinite growth in a finite system - results are obvious. the finite system will crash and burn. we are fucked, nature will recover when we make it not suitable for humans
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I used to think so as well, but as other posters have pointed out, we actually did manage to live in harmony with nature for tens of thousands of years. Humans aren't the problem per sé, but our systems definitely are.
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desire for infinite growth in a finite system - results are obvious. the finite system will crash and burn. we are fucked, nature will recover when we make it not suitable for humans
wrote last edited by [email protected]But this is how nature works every day. Humans are just better at pushing the limits and influencing their circumstances to adapt.
Edit: i wrote this in the meaning that althought nature does eventually ballance things out, this is not the case with humans (yet). We adjust and shape out surroundings, in order to thrive. Eventually though i believe that nature will survive and recover. We will eventually go extinct and i dont believe that much of the universe will miss us
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But this is how nature works every day. Humans are just better at pushing the limits and influencing their circumstances to adapt.
Edit: i wrote this in the meaning that althought nature does eventually ballance things out, this is not the case with humans (yet). We adjust and shape out surroundings, in order to thrive. Eventually though i believe that nature will survive and recover. We will eventually go extinct and i dont believe that much of the universe will miss us
Oh, sure, makes total sense. Sure, sure...
Except for the fact that nature has successfully balanced itself out for, well, as long as life has existed on this planet. Including recovery and finding a new balance after extremely drastic shifts in the environment.
Humans managed to remain a part of this for most our existence, too. So the current trends have absolutely nothing to do with our ability to manipulate our environment.
We've allowed an "elite" class of parasitic sociopaths to dictate the direction of modern society, and their influence has spread a corruption to every corner of the modern world. This insatiable greed will be our downfall, and there's nothing natural about it.
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“Many were increasingly of the opinion that they’d all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.”
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Oh, sure, makes total sense. Sure, sure...
Except for the fact that nature has successfully balanced itself out for, well, as long as life has existed on this planet. Including recovery and finding a new balance after extremely drastic shifts in the environment.
Humans managed to remain a part of this for most our existence, too. So the current trends have absolutely nothing to do with our ability to manipulate our environment.
We've allowed an "elite" class of parasitic sociopaths to dictate the direction of modern society, and their influence has spread a corruption to every corner of the modern world. This insatiable greed will be our downfall, and there's nothing natural about it.
Humans have been here for as long as humans have been here, which hasn't been very long in the big picture.
Do you remember your great great great grandma^69420 bacteria?
Nor do I. Sure humans have been around a while, but not all that long in the big picture..
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Oh, sure, makes total sense. Sure, sure...
Except for the fact that nature has successfully balanced itself out for, well, as long as life has existed on this planet. Including recovery and finding a new balance after extremely drastic shifts in the environment.
Humans managed to remain a part of this for most our existence, too. So the current trends have absolutely nothing to do with our ability to manipulate our environment.
We've allowed an "elite" class of parasitic sociopaths to dictate the direction of modern society, and their influence has spread a corruption to every corner of the modern world. This insatiable greed will be our downfall, and there's nothing natural about it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]This insatiable greed will be our downfall, and there's nothing natural about it.
I would argue that it is natural, that avarice and greed are natural things. My theory is that the overactive amygdala in our brains is ill-suited for modern societies that exist due to large-scale cooperation and some flavor of magnanimity. Though it's obviously an evolutionary adaptation for our ancestors, the irony is that it will be a large cause of our extinction.
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Nah. This is some eco-fascist/primitivist type shit. Fuck that.
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100% agree!
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Smells like ecofash.
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But this is how nature works every day. Humans are just better at pushing the limits and influencing their circumstances to adapt.
Edit: i wrote this in the meaning that althought nature does eventually ballance things out, this is not the case with humans (yet). We adjust and shape out surroundings, in order to thrive. Eventually though i believe that nature will survive and recover. We will eventually go extinct and i dont believe that much of the universe will miss us
wrote last edited by [email protected]Nature naturally (pun intended) balances itself. If there’s no rabbits, the wolves die out. Allows for the rabbit population to recover. We play Gods with this. We overfarm, overforradge, deforest massive woods, that have existed in peace for eons. We simply don’t let nature recover, because we think we are masters of the universe.
I’m not a hippy - by no means. I consume, I raise children and (although electric) I drive a car. Still, I buy tyres, that are a huge pollutant, I consume electricity to charge it, which is not always renewable, etc etc. It goes on. But this means nothing. I am alone amongst my peers - in my extended circle of friends & colleagues (approx. 400 people), I can only think of 2-3 people that are like me - conscious about what they consume / throw away / reuse / recycle.
Then Jeff Bezos organises his wedding in Venice, and his guests all arrive with their personal plane, while I would not buy and drink coffee if it’s not made (at the very least) with the paper coffee pods…
Do I feel stupid? Sometimes. Am I ridiculed sometimes? Daily. But I stand by my principles.
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I used to think so as well, but as other posters have pointed out, we actually did manage to live in harmony with nature for tens of thousands of years. Humans aren't the problem per sé, but our systems definitely are.
It's not the systems alone. It's the multiplication of systems per number of humans.
Too many humans even with paleolithic lifestyle will fuck up the environment anyway.
We need to find a balance, what systems we do we want to live in and how many humans can that system accommodate.
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desire for infinite growth in a finite system - results are obvious. the finite system will crash and burn. we are fucked, nature will recover when we make it not suitable for humans
Strictly speaking, its unknown if we live in a finite system or an infinite one - but it's certain that the local topology isn't infinitely dense.
(We speculate one can technically go infinitely far in any direction of space or indefinitely backward and forward through time; but there's not any infinite amounts of stuff here which is the problem.)
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Strictly speaking, its unknown if we live in a finite system or an infinite one - but it's certain that the local topology isn't infinitely dense.
(We speculate one can technically go infinitely far in any direction of space or indefinitely backward and forward through time; but there's not any infinite amounts of stuff here which is the problem.)
Well yeah, the earth is a fixed size. I think that is their point. Of course the universe could be infinite, but the amount of livable resources we have access to is currently finite.
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Well yeah, the earth is a fixed size. I think that is their point. Of course the universe could be infinite, but the amount of livable resources we have access to is currently finite.
That’s exactly my point, yep.
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working on it, just give it some time.
