I agree
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Well yeah, the earth is a fixed size. I think that is their point. Of course the universe could be infinite, but the amount of livable resources we have access to is currently finite.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm just needlessly waxing poetic, as is my wont. They said 'system' which is an ambiguous term.
I also considered noting that my local baskin-robbins gets delivered more ice cream than I'd ever want to eat.
But since I'm called out I'll add that any person can only imagine so much, and as such a finite group of peoples' collective imagination can only be arbitrarily large, not infinite.
But don't mind me, I'm just a dog on the internet.
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That’s exactly my point, yep.
My apologies, I'll concede I knew what you meant, but my poor brain tripped on the word 'system'. Your comment was apt on a human-scale system of our planet - we are fucked. But it's way fun and often useful to remember that's not the only lens available.
We are still a product of nature in many ways and all our society could be viewed as nature featuring yet another bloom and collapse - and our blip as a species isn't even special - check out the great oxidation (extinction) event whereby anaerobic organisms created so much waste oxygen that they killed of almost all life on the planet (organisms that live on oxygen and the air cycle we know today were 'born' from this event).
None of that changes the fact that I did deliberately misconstrue your statement; please excuse any offense I may have caused. I meant no harm.
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My apologies, I'll concede I knew what you meant, but my poor brain tripped on the word 'system'. Your comment was apt on a human-scale system of our planet - we are fucked. But it's way fun and often useful to remember that's not the only lens available.
We are still a product of nature in many ways and all our society could be viewed as nature featuring yet another bloom and collapse - and our blip as a species isn't even special - check out the great oxidation (extinction) event whereby anaerobic organisms created so much waste oxygen that they killed of almost all life on the planet (organisms that live on oxygen and the air cycle we know today were 'born' from this event).
None of that changes the fact that I did deliberately misconstrue your statement; please excuse any offense I may have caused. I meant no harm.
No worries. I’ll read up on that too, thanks for the additional reading material
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Some cultures managed to last for tens of thousands of years without destroying the planet. Not all cultures and social structures are the same or have the same impact on their environments.
in a shocking twist, cultures who believe themselves to be a part of nature tend to be much better at preserving it then cultures who see themselves as the owners of nature
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I’m not saying humans aren’t responsible for the Anthropocene. I’m not saying we don’t have to save out planet. But we shouldn’t idealize nature.
Check out that thread. It’s filled with gems:
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Yeah, only 10% of all mammalian biomass being human would still be too much. But we are 500% (and our livestock 1000%).
About the too much: all animals of similiar mass per individual range in the low 100'000s globally (the larger the less). That's the sustainable amount.
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Smells like ecofash.
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That's the current state though, where wildlive evaded into the woods and is generally in decline.
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This but it would not be nice for a person if there were no other person, thus it's level of niceness cannot be observed.
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Also they had stuff made outta bronze. Do you have bronze? I don't have bronze.
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Hell is other people
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I’m not saying humans aren’t responsible for the Anthropocene. I’m not saying we don’t have to save out planet. But we shouldn’t idealize nature.
Check out that thread. It’s filled with gems:
The first comment alone misrepresents beavers and elephants as poorly as that one dumbass sunfish comment from the old site that everyone reposted all the time. The widespread eradication of massive beaver populations across North America has caused untold ecological damage that we’ll never fully understand.
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Also they had stuff made outta bronze. Do you have bronze? I don't have bronze.
You can have copper instead.
