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  • Z [email protected]

    Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

    Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

    What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

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    Doing some digging, this is what has been added to the privacy notice:

    You have the option to use a third-party AI chatbot of your choice to help you with things like summarizing what you’re reading, writing and brainstorming ideas, subject to that provider’s terms of use and privacy notice.

    If you choose to enable a chatbot in the sidebar and/or through a shortcut, Mozilla does not have access to your conversations or the underlying content you input into the selected chatbot. We do collect technical and interaction data on how this feature is used to help improve Firefox, such as how often each third-party chatbot provider is chosen, how often suggested prompts are used, and the length of selected text.

    In other words, there will be opt-in LLM functionality that can be tied to third party providers. When you submit information to them... they have that data... the data falls under their privacy policies, not Mozilla's.

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      Doing some digging, this is what has been added to the privacy notice:

      You have the option to use a third-party AI chatbot of your choice to help you with things like summarizing what you’re reading, writing and brainstorming ideas, subject to that provider’s terms of use and privacy notice.

      If you choose to enable a chatbot in the sidebar and/or through a shortcut, Mozilla does not have access to your conversations or the underlying content you input into the selected chatbot. We do collect technical and interaction data on how this feature is used to help improve Firefox, such as how often each third-party chatbot provider is chosen, how often suggested prompts are used, and the length of selected text.

      In other words, there will be opt-in LLM functionality that can be tied to third party providers. When you submit information to them... they have that data... the data falls under their privacy policies, not Mozilla's.

      W This user is from outside of this forum
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      on to duck duck go?

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      • Z [email protected]

        Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

        Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

        What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

        R This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        At a time when they could actually be pushing the Manifest issue and try to finally get a foothold, instead it feels like they have scattered rakes around the yard in the middle of the night and decided to go for a jog.

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        • Z [email protected]

          Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

          Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

          What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

          S This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          Besides the privacy issue, the TOU is ridiculous. They supply a tool (the browser) and you use it. It's not a collaboration between you and them. You can use it whatever way you want.

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          • Z [email protected]

            Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

            Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

            What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

            dojan@lemmy.worldD This user is from outside of this forum
            dojan@lemmy.worldD This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            Yes, they're gearing up to sell your data.

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            • Z [email protected]

              Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

              Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

              What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

              fizz@lemmy.nzF This user is from outside of this forum
              fizz@lemmy.nzF This user is from outside of this forum
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              #7

              Mozilla ai really isn't that great stop getting caught in the wave. We don't want another dogshit ai company we want a Foss promoting web browser

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              • Z [email protected]

                Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                swizzlestick@lemmy.zipS This user is from outside of this forum
                swizzlestick@lemmy.zipS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                Used FF forever, even though the birth and rise of Chrome.

                We're done. The company I IT for therefore is also done. As are friends and family I sort computers for.

                The shit now stinks and must be taken out.

                gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG tux0r@feddit.orgT 2 Replies Last reply
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                • Z [email protected]

                  Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                  Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                  What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                  P This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  Well shoot if Firefox goes I guess we’re back to carrier pigeons and smoke signals.

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                  • Z [email protected]

                    Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                    Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                    What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                    C This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    I have really high hopes that Ladybird picks up the slack

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                    • P [email protected]

                      Well shoot if Firefox goes I guess we’re back to carrier pigeons and smoke signals.

                      captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.comC This user is from outside of this forum
                      captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.comC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      How about Orion?

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                      • Z [email protected]

                        Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                        Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                        What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                        gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
                        gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        You might not be using functions that require data to work. Are you using the AI options? Image to text? Translation? Saving passwords? Using search suggestions? Then you don't need to send any data.

                        Like it or not, most browsers do most of those things now. FireFox is no exception.

                        This seems like a lot of smoke and no fire to me.

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                        • swizzlestick@lemmy.zipS [email protected]

                          Used FF forever, even though the birth and rise of Chrome.

                          We're done. The company I IT for therefore is also done. As are friends and family I sort computers for.

                          The shit now stinks and must be taken out.

                          gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Reading through their privacy policy, it seems pretty normal stuff to me... Even ensuring that more data stays local than other browsers.

                          This sounds like bad communication more than bad software.

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                          • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                            You might not be using functions that require data to work. Are you using the AI options? Image to text? Translation? Saving passwords? Using search suggestions? Then you don't need to send any data.

                            Like it or not, most browsers do most of those things now. FireFox is no exception.

                            This seems like a lot of smoke and no fire to me.

                            breakfastmtn@lemmy.caB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #14

                            Even writing a post, you're entering data through Firefox into the post box. We just don't consider that data. It would be pretty quiet around here if you couldn't do that...

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                            • captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                              How about Orion?

                              tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Or just make NetSurf good enough?

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                              • C [email protected]

                                I have really high hopes that Ladybird picks up the slack

                                tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
                                tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Or make NetSurf good enough? It's mature (and lacking developers), Ladybird is not.

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                                • Z [email protected]

                                  Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                                  Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                                  What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                                  tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Oh no, does this mean that Mozilla doesn't give a damn about the privacy of their last twelve users? I.e. those who did not see that coming a decade ago?

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                                  • swizzlestick@lemmy.zipS [email protected]

                                    Used FF forever, even though the birth and rise of Chrome.

                                    We're done. The company I IT for therefore is also done. As are friends and family I sort computers for.

                                    The shit now stinks and must be taken out.

                                    tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
                                    tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Used FF forever

                                    So you probably should remember the Mozilla FAQ entry that it's "Firefox", not "FireFox"; and that's why they prefer "fx" because "FF" makes no sense. 😜

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                                    • Z [email protected]

                                      Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                                      Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                                      What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                                      krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

                                      They don't care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That's an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
                                      How else do you get to know, what's working right and what doesn't? How do you plan development for the next years if you don't know what to develop?

                                      This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.

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                                      • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                                        Reading through their privacy policy, it seems pretty normal stuff to me... Even ensuring that more data stays local than other browsers.

                                        This sounds like bad communication more than bad software.

                                        kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
                                        kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #20

                                        This isn’t really even bad communication. This is idiots with a platform screaming FUD for attention.

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                                        • tux0r@feddit.orgT [email protected]

                                          Or just make NetSurf good enough?

                                          mcasq_qsacj_234@lemmy.zipM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #21

                                          NetSurf updates are very slow

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