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  • swizzlestick@lemmy.zipS [email protected]

    Used FF forever, even though the birth and rise of Chrome.

    We're done. The company I IT for therefore is also done. As are friends and family I sort computers for.

    The shit now stinks and must be taken out.

    tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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    #18

    Used FF forever

    So you probably should remember the Mozilla FAQ entry that it's "Firefox", not "FireFox"; and that's why they prefer "fx" because "FF" makes no sense. 😜

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      Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

      Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

      What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

      krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
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      #19

      WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

      They don't care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That's an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
      How else do you get to know, what's working right and what doesn't? How do you plan development for the next years if you don't know what to develop?

      This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.

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      • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

        Reading through their privacy policy, it seems pretty normal stuff to me... Even ensuring that more data stays local than other browsers.

        This sounds like bad communication more than bad software.

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        #20

        This isn’t really even bad communication. This is idiots with a platform screaming FUD for attention.

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        • tux0r@feddit.orgT [email protected]

          Or just make NetSurf good enough?

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          #21

          NetSurf updates are very slow

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          • mcasq_qsacj_234@lemmy.zipM [email protected]

            NetSurf updates are very slow

            tux0r@feddit.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #22

            NetSurf needs more developers, which is one of the reasons for the development pace, and I'm happy for every occasion to help them get more, so here's today's one.

            (Mature software needs fewer updates than fresh software too, but that's probably not the most critical aspect here.)

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            • Z [email protected]

              Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

              Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

              What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

              cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zoneC This user is from outside of this forum
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              #23

              i still like mozilla (and I donate to them monthly because i believe in the mission of an open internet) and, unlike most people, i don't think this is a very big deal.

              however, i don't want to put all my eggs in one basket so... are there any other ethical pro open internet evangelist groups i should start to follow or contribute to? preferably an ethical foundation that isn't cryptofash or bigoted. i know there's the eff but they're not really focused on an open and free internet, they're more privacy (nothing against them; i love them).

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              • krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

                They don't care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That's an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
                How else do you get to know, what's working right and what doesn't? How do you plan development for the next years if you don't know what to develop?

                This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.

                B This user is from outside of this forum
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                #24

                You use your own software and read bug reports.

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                  Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                  Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                  What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                  sunshine@lemmy.caS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #25

                  Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!

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                  • dojan@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                    Yes, they're gearing up to sell your data.

                    sunshine@lemmy.caS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #26

                    Thanks to that overpaid ceo.

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                    • krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                      WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???

                      They don't care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That's an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
                      How else do you get to know, what's working right and what doesn't? How do you plan development for the next years if you don't know what to develop?

                      This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.

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                      #27

                      If data can be abused it will be abused.

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                      • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                        Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!

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                        Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, how does Mullvad compare to Brave?

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                          Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, how does Mullvad compare to Brave?

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                          The Mullvad browser is based on the gecko engine while Brave is based on chromium.

                          I dont trust Brave much because the creator is into right-wing politics and bitcoin.

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536

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                            Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                            Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                            What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

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                            #30

                            Get ready for ads as well

                            https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#commitcomment-153095625

                            They removed this:

                            
                                        {
                            
                                            "@type": "Question",
                            
                                            "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?",
                            
                                            "acceptedAnswer": {
                            
                                                "@type": "Answer",
                            
                                                "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "
                            
                                            }
                            
                                        },
                            
                            
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                            • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                              Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!

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                              #31

                              An alternative browser (not based on the Chromium) should be driven by the community (vide Proton).

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                              • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                                Get ready for ads as well

                                https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#commitcomment-153095625

                                They removed this:

                                
                                            {
                                
                                                "@type": "Question",
                                
                                                "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?",
                                
                                                "acceptedAnswer": {
                                
                                                    "@type": "Answer",
                                
                                                    "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "
                                
                                                }
                                
                                            },
                                
                                
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                                I hate that they had "never will" in there. Seems like a broken promise.

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                                • Z [email protected]

                                  Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.

                                  Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.

                                  What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.

                                  vivendi@lemmy.zipV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #33

                                  Typical anti-firefox FUD. These are all quite normal things to have in policies for CYA reasons to offer features. bUt mUh dATa!! 1!1!1!1!11 fuck off and live in a mountain, or use a almost useless obscure browser like Netsurf (that can't load 90% of the web)

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                                    You use your own software and read bug reports.

                                    krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #34

                                    That only gives you a biased and incomplete insight.

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                                    • vivendi@lemmy.zipV [email protected]

                                      Typical anti-firefox FUD. These are all quite normal things to have in policies for CYA reasons to offer features. bUt mUh dATa!! 1!1!1!1!11 fuck off and live in a mountain, or use a almost useless obscure browser like Netsurf (that can't load 90% of the web)

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                                      so why weren't they in there before? moz's lawyers have obviously never thought they even need a policy before now, so what changed?

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                                      • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

                                        so why weren't they in there before? moz's lawyers have obviously never thought they even need a policy before now, so what changed?

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                                        #36

                                        Because they're going to offer optional AI integration in the browser

                                        Look, we are in the minority. Lemmy has like, what, some thousands of users at best. Most people want features like AI, and firefox has to offer them to gain users instead of bleeding like a stuck pig as they're doing now

                                        And the sentiment against AI on lemmy absolutely sucks dick. I'm tempted to go back to Reddit because this place is luddite.ml at this point. People who've never spun up a local model on their GPU talk like they have trifecta PhD creds in comp sci

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                                        • vivendi@lemmy.zipV [email protected]

                                          Because they're going to offer optional AI integration in the browser

                                          Look, we are in the minority. Lemmy has like, what, some thousands of users at best. Most people want features like AI, and firefox has to offer them to gain users instead of bleeding like a stuck pig as they're doing now

                                          And the sentiment against AI on lemmy absolutely sucks dick. I'm tempted to go back to Reddit because this place is luddite.ml at this point. People who've never spun up a local model on their GPU talk like they have trifecta PhD creds in comp sci

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                                          #37

                                          Most people want features like AI

                                          That's just not true.

                                          as someone who runs local inference all the time, i think that centralized online models have no place anywhere near consumers. partly because the things they offer are trivial and offload critical skills, partly because they require insane amounts of energy, and partly because they are privacy nightmares. all things that are against moz's stated mission. and yet here we are.

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