Lemmy vs Mbin vs PieFed
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Yeah it was a poor choice of words. I just see no reason to put my forum account with my microblog account and it just feels wrong how they implemented it. It's clear they focused on only the forum part and just kinda implemented the microblog part later.
Piefed is amazing, though the fact that there's no apps or clients at all. They're hard to make since there's no API, correct me if i'm wrong though.
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I use Mbin (well, Fedia, but same thing), and honestly I do that because of the interface. Lemmy's UX seems so much worse.
The microblogging thing is... there, but it mostly just serves some random post here and there. It's fine to be able to have a microblog follow in there if you want, but I think the assumption that you'd centralize multiple AP services in a single app now feels entirely obsolete. That doesn't get in the way and it's still a much better client for Lemmy than Lemmy, though.
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Disagree hard with ugly and awkward. It being less of that han Lemmy is the reason I use it in the first place.
If anything, I'd swap the pros and cons around, because every time I accidentally respond to a Masto post over here and half the functionality is missing I have a few seconds of confused panic before I realize what's going on and drop that conversation altogether.
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You're right on that, the lemmy UI is horrible. Mbin's UI is the only which has card posts so that's awesome, but I just don't see much reason (imo) to use it over lemmy or piefed. Tbf mbin's always kinda been the weird one but i can respect its existence.
To each his own
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I mean Lemmy is pretty ugly and awkward too sometimes... actually I realized that I changed around my Lemmy theme so it wouldn't look quite so bad to me. So maybe I'm making an unfair comparison of that versus stock Mbin. But check this out:
What's the important stuff? Is it the high-contrast areas, like the "what is the fediverse" box or the always-vital "Add new link" button? Or the icons for the users, which are huge and in attention-grabbing high contrast for some reason? What does the pushpin do? Oh, that's letting me know it's a pinned comment. Can we just change the color for that, like every other platform? Is "People" really so vital that it needs it own big menu entry? Why is everything that's in a bright contrasting color something that isn't important, and the headlines are only a little shade different from the normal text? Why do we have giant boxes with speech bubbles in them, right in a super-prominent place, which sort of look like skeleton shapes because the page hasn't finished dynamically loading yet, except that they're actual final content elements? And why do they so skillfully separate the very unobtrusively colored vote counts from the things that they are counting votes for?
Compare that to this:
See how it does the same "what the heck is this place," but it isn't the most attention-grabbing thing on the screen every time you're there, and put in a place where you will look if you're first getting oriented (the first thing in left-to-right, top-to-bottom reading order), but not grabbing your attention every other time? See how "show me all the users" is way down at the bottom left in an unobtrusive list, because it's not commonly used, whereas the main three types of feeds it can show you are the only things grabbing your attention up top, and then there's a bar off to the side with a small handful of other actions separate from that you might want to do? And how, if you're totally lost, the one button that's most useful (create an account) is the most obviously high-contrasting thing?
Like I say, I am saying all this with love. Mbin has great features and Mastodon has a lot more eyes on it and people who want to chip in and make it attractive. I'm just saying that anything you use every day, you can get used to, and Mbin could look like the Mastodon interface and become to my eyes a lot less jarring. Put a little "feed settings" icon next to where "Explore" is now, that pops down a set of filters if you want one, get rid of a bunch of the stuff that gets thrown around on the screen that only very rarely is relevant, emphasize the stuff that needs attention and de-emphasize the stuff that doesn't. That is my feeling.
Yeah, Lemmy's UI has more gratuitous awkwardness in the actual design, maybe. Mbin does a lot more stuff, and generally has it pretty well-organized conceptually. Lemmy does a more minimal set of stuff and somehow still manages to make some of it confusing or hard to access. I think I was mostly just talking visually.
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Hold on, that doesn't seem like an apples to apples comparison. You're doing light theme in one and dark in another. The light theme has a different balance (also, ow, my retinas).
The default Fedia dark theme I am using does not look like that at all. Sure, both the main column and the tool column on the right have the same emphasis, but you still get hierarchy from both the relative sizes and the positioning (if you're a left-to-right reader, at least).
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Thunder is being forked for piefed. Once this happens I’ll move to piefed full time. In the mean time we should think of a better band and logo for piefed which the creator said he’s open to changing
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Looking forward to it!!
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I heard of that, but I also like to use a third party web client like photon or tesseract too. Piefed is still new so it doesn't have the same level of support as Lemmy does. Thunder being ported is a huge step imo and a path for more apps and clients being created or ported to it.
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I just opened fedia.io and screenshotted what it showed me. Same for mastodon.xyz. I wasn’t trying any kind of rigged setup. If there’s a simple change to the default theme choice which would make it less horrendous by default, or the layout is more logical on some screen sizes, then I think they should make the defaults better yes. Maybe I happened to hit on one badly-configured server or bad screen size, but I didn’t change anything on purpose, it just kind of feels like making it not-horrible visually is simply not a priority.
I would actually describe that as a problem for both Mbin and Lemmy. It really annoyed me when I was setting up this server that the default theme is kind of bad, the default sort is “Active”, and so on. It feels like there’s a pretty common mindset of “as long as it works for my account I don’t care what experience new users get.” I don’t think it’s deliberate, I think it’s just a natural outgrowth of working on the project because you want it to exist for you, not like trying to “grow the user base” necessarily or worry about what happens to novice users, like would be front of mind for a standard software company.
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Honestly, choosing whether to default to dark or light is pretty arbitrary, and pointless once the user sets a preference on login anyway. I'm not sure if there's a reason you can't default to OS/browser preference on a logged out user, but also don't think it's a big deal. Plus highlighting a "what is this app" tile makes more sense on the logged-out default, so there's that as well.
Which is not to say that you're wrong on the larger point. FOSS devs having the attitude that the UI is a secondary concern or wildly misrepresenting the ability of users to deal with friction or bad looks is an ongoing frustration. I guess engineers are more likely to attempt FOSS projects than UX designers.
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You made me go check, and the signed-out site on an incognito tab does autoselect my browser-default dark theme. It looks much better than the light, incidentally, and the highlight to the Fedi tutorial link makes more sense in this context and is clearly restricted to signed-out users as a call to action/promo thing.
I don't necessarily think the light theme is as awful as you're claiming, and at a glance it definitely seems to be derived from Dark and not the othe way around. The more I look into it the less this seems like a universal problem with the UX in Mbin derivatives and more "the light theme has made some debatable color choices".
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You're on LW, newer versions of Lemmy are better in that regard.
https://tesseract.dubvee.org/ is a better frontend for moderation. Allows you to see votes as a mod, and ban users who never commented or posted.
I literally can’t even view a per-community modlog on desktop.
There's an orange "modlog" button in the sidebar of every community that shows the community modlog?
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If you press the cog in the top right corner you can choose between six different themes, as well as moving the sidebar around, text size, and a bunch of other tweaks.
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Not familiar enough with PieFed to give an opinion, but among Lemmy and Mbin, of things I can observe:
- Lemmy has far more visual candies / visual noise than Mbin, whose UI rather barebones
- But as Mbin has a more basic UI, it tends to break less and be more compatible with user scripts and filters
- On RSS, from my experience, Mbin links to posts properly through RSS, while, maybe it's version-dependent, Lemmy sites seem to have a bit of trouble with linking posts with links attached to their titles, usually opening the title's attached link instead
- However, Mbin doesn't seem to be able to fetch the post's body through RSS
- On newer versions of the Lemmy engine, you can block instances and hide posts, but not block domains linked in posts
- On Mbin, afaik, you can't block instances nor hide posts (both requiring browser modifications from my tests), but you can block domains
- On Lemmy, also maybe version-dependent, but it seems that instances don't host RSS for federated communities, while Mbin does (good for redundancy, I think)
- For microblogging, RSS doesn't work on Mbin (might in the future?) despite other microblogging alternatives having them, and integration of microblogging to Lemmy only happens indirectly
- On Lemmy, some communities seem to have an extra step to subscribing where you need approval after applying, while Mbin doesn't
- Specific to Mbin, but the error 404 issue from Kbin when blocking or subscribing to an user or community seems to be extremely rare with its successor
- Lemmy allows visualizing how formatting will look like before posting, while Mbin doesn't
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On a more personal take, I prefer Mbin because "it just works", I use far more RSS than the sites directly, and when I use them directly, I use an UBlock Origin filter to hide posts I either vote up or down (very responsive =D ) and block sites I recognize as manipulative (rather common sadly). That also makes so I end up not missing much on Lemmy's functions.
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What the fuck is “Magazines”
This but unironically. I could never get over it with Kbin and still can't with Mbin. It's a bad name for a community/sub and I'll die on that hill. You can never get me to call a meme shitpost an "article" in a "magazine".
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Mbin supports custom magazine/community CSS like Old Reddit did. Don't think it's federated currently though, so it's local only. There's also the ability to follow users and boost (retweet) content, which Lemmy lacks.
Judging by recent posts by Piefed's creator, they seem to be planning to add end-to-end encryption and ephemeral content.
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I use Lemmy because there's a good ad free app (jerboa)
