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'Death Stranding 2' proves more video games need to get weird, experts say

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      Indies are where innovation lives. About time "triple A" studios realized it. At least those guys did, probably 😉

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        More should get weird sure but death standing is boring AF

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          Indies are where innovation lives. About time "triple A" studios realized it. At least those guys did, probably 😉

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          IDK where this logic is coming from. PS2, Xbox 360, and older Nintendo consoles are filled with weird games by big companies. Like, yes, they unfortunately moved on from weirdness when gaming became too profitable and that sucks, but falsely glorifying indies like that is just weird.

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            IDK where this logic is coming from. PS2, Xbox 360, and older Nintendo consoles are filled with weird games by big companies. Like, yes, they unfortunately moved on from weirdness when gaming became too profitable and that sucks, but falsely glorifying indies like that is just weird.

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            Yeah, even look at Sony. Recent franchises include a genetically modified clone orphan living in a land of sentient machines with vivid colours.

            A father daughter love story told in the time of a zombie apocalypse. (Recent is doing a lot of lifting, lol,)

            A samurai warrior, believed dead in a beautiful version of Japan, who sues the wind for direction. Here it's more the art direction.

            Older hits, instead of using cars, used floating race pods. Some told stories using forward and back through time to allow a player and their inner soul/ghost explore areas differently. Others has you play as a set of androids staring to become sentient and making decisions for or against their programming, for their or others benefit.

            The quirkiness has always been there. There is also lots of generic stuff and copied stuff. Wherever art and business collide, that's always the case.

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              This game sort of has the opposite effect on me. I was never a big fan of the Metal Gear series, I'm too impatient. And a whole game set around doing deliveries seems boring to me, but it's admittedly beautiful and has a lot of hype around it. Is it really a fun game?

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                This game sort of has the opposite effect on me. I was never a big fan of the Metal Gear series, I'm too impatient. And a whole game set around doing deliveries seems boring to me, but it's admittedly beautiful and has a lot of hype around it. Is it really a fun game?

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                I was actually kinda impressed by the walking part in Death Standing, at least initially, because it is actually kinda involved. Like you are forced with controlling your balance and choosing smoother terrain instead of just pushing the stick forward.

                But it does wear off quickly and the first half of the game is admittedly rather dull. But boy does it get fucking awesome the further in you get. It deals with topics of death and loss in such a unique way, with rather unique gameplay elements to go with it, that it's impossible to describe. You just have to muscle through the boring to get to the bizarre and beautiful.

                I wish I had the cash for the new one. But I'm gonna have to wait on that.

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                  I’m just over here constructing roads and shelters for my fellow porters. Something so relaxing about the game that scratches an inch I didn’t know I had.

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                    I was actually kinda impressed by the walking part in Death Standing, at least initially, because it is actually kinda involved. Like you are forced with controlling your balance and choosing smoother terrain instead of just pushing the stick forward.

                    But it does wear off quickly and the first half of the game is admittedly rather dull. But boy does it get fucking awesome the further in you get. It deals with topics of death and loss in such a unique way, with rather unique gameplay elements to go with it, that it's impossible to describe. You just have to muscle through the boring to get to the bizarre and beautiful.

                    I wish I had the cash for the new one. But I'm gonna have to wait on that.

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                    I agree that it’s rather unique blend of a walking simulator and does explore death and loss through an extremely lengthy story that has some touching moments, however the slog of the “meat” of the game is absolutely not worth it to get to the core of it all.

                    If you’re interested, I recommend watching the “game movie” on YouTube, where they just show the dialogues and skip almost all of the walking, granted even then you’d probably want to skip/fast forward through a massive chunk of it all where it’s the same animations over and over again. (Such as the load/unload/qpid sequence, etc)

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                      Yeah, even look at Sony. Recent franchises include a genetically modified clone orphan living in a land of sentient machines with vivid colours.

                      A father daughter love story told in the time of a zombie apocalypse. (Recent is doing a lot of lifting, lol,)

                      A samurai warrior, believed dead in a beautiful version of Japan, who sues the wind for direction. Here it's more the art direction.

                      Older hits, instead of using cars, used floating race pods. Some told stories using forward and back through time to allow a player and their inner soul/ghost explore areas differently. Others has you play as a set of androids staring to become sentient and making decisions for or against their programming, for their or others benefit.

                      The quirkiness has always been there. There is also lots of generic stuff and copied stuff. Wherever art and business collide, that's always the case.

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                      These are quirky in terms of plot but not so much in terms of gameplay (at least your modern examples). That's fine to a point but I'd like to see a bit more variety.

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                        These are quirky in terms of plot but not so much in terms of gameplay (at least your modern examples). That's fine to a point but I'd like to see a bit more variety.

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                        Yeah, I'd agree with that. However, they are also creative or adventurous with graphics and art direction.

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                          This game sort of has the opposite effect on me. I was never a big fan of the Metal Gear series, I'm too impatient. And a whole game set around doing deliveries seems boring to me, but it's admittedly beautiful and has a lot of hype around it. Is it really a fun game?

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                          It is fun but it requires a lot of patience. If you didn't like Metal Gear and don't really have much patience then this game most likely isn't for you.

                          It's a very very slow burn, if the first is anything to go by. Like, there are high-action, combative moments but they are absolutely not the focus of the gameplay — majority is just planning routes, figuring the best ways to traverse the landscapes, and helping rebuild the local infrastructure for your Strand (the asynchronous multiplayer server shared with other players)

                          The main focus is on the messages, themes, and other literary merits of the story. Supposed to get you to think about things from new perspectives.

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                            IDK where this logic is coming from. PS2, Xbox 360, and older Nintendo consoles are filled with weird games by big companies. Like, yes, they unfortunately moved on from weirdness when gaming became too profitable and that sucks, but falsely glorifying indies like that is just weird.

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                            That was the last time AAA publishers allowed devs to take risks. Those games, while profitable, were considered financial failures by executives.

                            That era taught the industry to be risk averse.

                            Gaming was profitable long before by decades at that point, mostly due to the quick evolution of technology propelling a lot of the innovation and novelty of new titles. Yet, due to how the economics of capitalism work, the industry reached the peak of how much they could ride those coattails before they had to begin creating their own industry growth, which was around the time of those consoles.

                            Publishers and Devs scrambled to find new ways to bring in more players. They eventually learned what worked and what didn't, and the economic necessity of growth forced those companies to rely on what they knew had mass appeal instead of taking those risks like before. The wiggle room just wasn't there anymore.

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                              More should get weird sure but death standing is boring AF

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                              Executives are just going to make more boringly weird games now in imitation of DS.

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                                Do we need experts to tell us what the average enthusiastic gamer has been saying for years?

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