Why do most people stay in centralized social media platforms when the Fediverse exists?
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I don’t think federation vs centralization is the primary differentiator. I think “corporate vs non-profit/ad-free/donation-only/volunteerism” is.
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The more people using a social media platform, the more content there is to consume and people to interact with. It's really hard to move to a new platform when there just isn't as much stuff to consume as the centralized platforms like Reddit. I'm using Lemmy for ideological reasons, but if you just want to vibe and scroll online, Reddit has way more to offer. That said, the user experience of Reddit is continually degrading. Potentially at some point it will create enough refugees that sites like Lemmy hit an inflection point of users.
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I don't think the average user thinks much about the platform they're on, and about who controls it. I think they go to wherever most of their family/friends are.
Also, those platforms are firmly in the mainstream, the alternatives aren't really - you'd have to actively go search for them. People just aren't likely to do that, I don't think.
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Part of it is just the network effect. If the people they want to follow are on twitter then they do not really have a choice. Also part of it is the algorithms. For some needing to manually select communities or individuals is an inconvenience. Finally I feel like fedi communities have a very distinct atmosphere simply because very few people use it. This can all change in the future but the majority of the issues stem from just not having enough creators and users as well as the additional effort required to use these platforms.
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Because they actually have content and friends there
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Do you want them here? I don’t. I don’t tell a soul about lemmy, because this is place for me to get away from them. A place for mostly rational discussion, populated by people free thinking enough to seek an alternative. If the masses descended on Lemmy, they’d ruin it like they ruin everything else. They’d draw the attention that would lead to it being litigated, regulated, purchased, corporatized etc. Let them stay on Facebook and Reddit.
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People follow the crowd and centralized media had considerably bigger crowds
Several of these platforms used bots and/or multiple staff accounts to inflate user count/engagement to draw more people in and trigger the network effect.
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Do you want them here? I don’t. I don’t tell a soul about lemmy, because this is place for me to get away from them. A place for mostly rational discussion, populated by people free thinking enough to seek an alternative. If the masses descended on Lemmy, they’d ruin it like they ruin everything else. They’d draw the attention that would lead to it being litigated, regulated, purchased, corporatized etc. Let them stay on Facebook and Reddit.
This sounds like a very gatekeeper mentality. Also, Lemmy is FLOSS, they can't buy it up or destroy it.
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I don't think the average user thinks much about the platform they're on, and about who controls it. I think they go to wherever most of their family/friends are.
Also, those platforms are firmly in the mainstream, the alternatives aren't really - you'd have to actively go search for them. People just aren't likely to do that, I don't think.
Most people are like sheep and just follow the herd.
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Because they actually have content and friends there
friends on reddit?
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convenience, marketing
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I don’t think federation vs centralization is the primary differentiator. I think “corporate vs non-profit/ad-free/donation-only/volunteerism” is.
Yeah I keep pushing for join-lemmy.org to buy ads on Google and Bing.
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- Ease of use
The combination of having to choose an instance and then start with an algorithm free blank slate is a tough ask. It literally takes time to sit down and setup your initial “feed”, which is probably a good thing, but not at all what attracts users whimsical curiosities nor what they’ve experienced over their entire experience of social media.
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network effects
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The more people using a social media platform, the more content there is to consume and people to interact with. It's really hard to move to a new platform when there just isn't as much stuff to consume as the centralized platforms like Reddit. I'm using Lemmy for ideological reasons, but if you just want to vibe and scroll online, Reddit has way more to offer. That said, the user experience of Reddit is continually degrading. Potentially at some point it will create enough refugees that sites like Lemmy hit an inflection point of users.
100%. Lemmy just happens to have the communities I’m interested in.
I remember trying to move to Mastodon years ago. But the main topics in my feed were furries, transgenders and activists.
Not hating on any of those, but it just wasn’t what I was interested in at the time, so I quit the whole microblogging thing altogether and spent more time on Reddit.
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Yeah I keep pushing for join-lemmy.org to buy ads on Google and Bing.
I can also see some people being opposed to them spending the donation money on ads, since they'd be giving money to companies that may be in opposition to what we're doing here (or ideological reasons around the advertising industry in general).
Maybe if there was a separate pool of donations specifically for advertising, then people who want to support that can donate to it? Those who don't can still donate to the projects themselves
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Lazy. Most people don't want to learn how shit works. They just want it to work. They'll get what they pay for in the end.
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I asked someone on bluesky i follow what is mastodon lacking that they ultimately chose bluesky, and they said something along the lines "basic ease of use. The way it works is probably perfectly sensible to fediverse people, but I had an awful time there"
They do indeed have (abandoned) mastodon account with posts, so they did try. I don't know what they meant by it lacking basic ease of use, and I didn't feel entitled to ask stranger for more explanation
The only thing I personally noticed is off is following people on other instances if you're not looking at them via your instance website
Identity not being perfectly transferrable on mastodon. You can post a special "follow me there instead" post, but what if your instance went tyrant and wouldn't let you post it? Or just went offline? I think cryptographic identity would be more robust for that, but it would also mean user having to store private key somewhere, which would be even less user-friendly -
The more people using a social media platform, the more content there is to consume and people to interact with. It's really hard to move to a new platform when there just isn't as much stuff to consume as the centralized platforms like Reddit. I'm using Lemmy for ideological reasons, but if you just want to vibe and scroll online, Reddit has way more to offer. That said, the user experience of Reddit is continually degrading. Potentially at some point it will create enough refugees that sites like Lemmy hit an inflection point of users.
To add, e.g. reddit took years to become a great platform and it also degradation takes years, as the alternatives will also take years to build. Although some of the issues will probably follow too unless addressed some way. I don’t think the federation is a silver bullet but I’m hopefull that it’s a big step forward.
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Lazy. Most people don't want to learn how shit works. They just want it to work. They'll get what they pay for in the end.
Hardcore facebookers don't care even if zuck fed babies to pet lion every morning. TikTokers are even worse. Clout is what they are and that's all they care about. Switching to an another system is a no go and if you bring it up they get really pissy.
