Hubris
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Well, have you ever stood on a lift like that? I did, on a regular basis. You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Also, the lift itself already has play. You can easily get it to swing 4 centimeters while the base is stationary. It's just play in bearings and metal slightly bending.
I agree that the lift is not made to be like that. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I've done worse, that is for sure.
But you have to use your brain.Clearly the platform has great floating capacity. If the platform would not be capable of carrying that load, it would have sunk by now. The lift is in the middle, who j means the load is putting equal pressure on all sides. That has a stabilizing effect.
Water also pushes back. If you've every tried to flip a raft in the pool, you know that it is much easier if you move it side to side a few times, the water wil help you push it over, as long as you keep adding energy at every swing. If you don't, you will stabilize.
Unless something keeps adding energy to the swing, the swing will only get smaller and smaller. If it's swinging too much? Just stand still, don't move and let it stabilize.
The one thing to keep in mind is that the higher you go, the bigger the leverage is. At some point it will probably tip over if you swing it too much, but I don't think those guys are at that point.
But in the end, this is probably not the proper way to do the work. It's fun to discuss it, but a professional company would arrange something else.
Still legendary though, I've worked for companies that would do sketchy shit sometimes and while dangerous, it was also kind of fun. And I always checked for myself first if it was safe. Because I want to go home at the end of the day. Doesn't mean you have to be scared of everything though.
You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Well have you tried it in a pool? Im sure the solid ground helps some.
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What you explained is what I'd expect someone who's never been on a cruise before to describe a cruise. Sure, there's hecklers at the port immediately off the boat. Walk out of that area and it goes away, like every tourist destination.
Most cruise stops that I've been on have been around 8 hours, which is ample time to experience a bit of a location. I have only been on two cruises, so I'm by no means a seasoned traveler.
Unfortunately, the Caribbean doesn't have a rail system between the islands, so boating is the main option. While most cruises aren't luxury, and to get a suite is $$$, they are comfortable rides, almost assuredly more comfortable than a train, barring rough seas, which I've experienced once, and it wasn't that bad. They are slower than trains, but they have a dozen floors, 100 bars, pools, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things. I have enjoyed some of my at seas days more than some stops. Finally, vastly more interesting destinations is extremely subjective. There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
I'm not going to argue you least point. Like I first mentioned, they're terrible for the environment. All of my words above are just in response to, "why would anyone get one one of these", not to defend the existence of cruises.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
Sure, but cruises are limited to basically just coastline and port cities, whereas literally any other mode of transportation can get you to all of those places too, plus all the other 90% of land on the planet. Saying "the number and choices of destinations is huge" is technically correct, but basically meaningless when you compare it with all other modes of transportation.
Really the only places cruises can go that other modes maybe can't is:
- Remote places like the northern coasts of Alaska or Scandinavia
- The middle of the ocean
I can kinda see why someone would take a cruise to the first item, but I can't bring myself to understand the second. Like, cruising around the empty ocean for days/weeks on end sounds so boring that you'd need "12 floors, 100 bars, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things" to make it even bearable. They created their own problem (finding entertainment in the middle of empty ocean) and solved it in the most brute force, environmentally unsustainable, and legally sketchy way possible.
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There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
Sure, but cruises are limited to basically just coastline and port cities, whereas literally any other mode of transportation can get you to all of those places too, plus all the other 90% of land on the planet. Saying "the number and choices of destinations is huge" is technically correct, but basically meaningless when you compare it with all other modes of transportation.
Really the only places cruises can go that other modes maybe can't is:
- Remote places like the northern coasts of Alaska or Scandinavia
- The middle of the ocean
I can kinda see why someone would take a cruise to the first item, but I can't bring myself to understand the second. Like, cruising around the empty ocean for days/weeks on end sounds so boring that you'd need "12 floors, 100 bars, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things" to make it even bearable. They created their own problem (finding entertainment in the middle of empty ocean) and solved it in the most brute force, environmentally unsustainable, and legally sketchy way possible.
When you port somewhere, you can rent a vehicle or take a taxi to places not in the port town. If you want to travel to various tropical islands, you can fly or float, it's not like there are a bunch of transportation options that can take you everywhere.
I'm not saying that rail is a worse option, I'm saying that cruises are fun, and that's why people go on them, which was the initial question I responded to.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like. You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality. A cruise ship is a small town full of entertainment. If there were no entertainment, yea, floating in the ocean would get boring after a few hours, unless you're into that kind of thing. They are mobile resorts, and when you wake up, you're in a new location. They aren't over crowded, except when everyone is boarding and leaving, but that's true with literally every form of mass transportation.
Some people take cruises and never leave the boat. They like to relax by the pool, enjoy the spa, partake in on board activities, gamble in the casino, eat all of the included free food or drinks, or whatever.
I'm not defending the environment part, or the legally sketchy stuff, but they're entertaining.
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I can't imagine OSHA would approve this
Mostly just because they aren't wearing a harness that attaches to designated connection points on the ceiling because they are working over a platform instead of directly water.
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Given they are suspended over water, it may actually be better to not have the harness. If the whole thing were to tip the harness could get tangled and keep someone trapped under water.
Actually the rule is that if they were fully just over water they would be ok to not wear a harness but due to there being a platform beneath their working area OSHA would require harnesses with connections made to ceiling or a guide line installed for working at those heights. This is also true if you are between 2 boats for work as they are still seen as more dangerous.
But open water in a boom lift? Yeah, no harness needed.
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I mean I was really concerned about that as well, having been on the ferries which go from Turku to Stockholm. As I said though, they're kinda tiny in comparison. They're not like ferries between France and the UK or Ireland and the UK, but like more cruise ships.
Icon of the Seas is like double the length of the cruise ships I've been on (Vikin Line Isabella ~160m, Viking Line Grace ~218, Icon of the Seas 360m) but the point I made once was that just a medium storm in the archipelago of Baltic Sea, that boat was going kinda hard side to side. As in the water in the pool splashed out like a third or something and you could not walk straight in the hallways. It was bloody fun though, one of my first proper times of getting drunk.
We didn't really realise it at the time with my buddy, but the ~50 year old guy buying us 14-15y olds drinks in a sauna was probably a bit of a nonce.
Anyway, my point was that if those ships go that bendy in the Baltic Sea, wtf would this do in the Atlantic? However, some engineer pointed out that 1) it's gonna be cruising in the Caribbean and 2) the stabilisation tech that's built in a ship so much larger per tonnage is gonna make it way more stable. Plus it's way newer so the tech is better as well.
Because if the pool splashed around as much as the medium size jacuzzi we were in with the nonce, then I'd be scared to go to some of those top pools.
I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember that the guy convinced me.
The stabilization tech in the newer ships is just astounding even if it's ridiculous. Massive air jets blowing a constant stream of bubbles beneath the ship inorder to lower friction and increase buoyancy is just so neat plus the extending azipods for tight turn radiuses tighter than older smaller ships... Just insane engineering.
If you would like to know what it would take to rock one though I do in fact know.
The waves were 9.1m or 30feet high and wind speed at 125mph. Ship listed about 14° at the maximum which was enough to bend door frames in the interior ship, however the ship is actually rated to survive a list of over 45° or waves of 50feet in height.
Anthem of the seas 2016.Also the pools are drained and no one is allowed in during those kinds of events as rocking water can actually cause people to be ejected from the pool and send them flying over the deck.
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There's all-inclusive resorts, yes, and I've found they're generally more expensive than cruises. If you make your resort hotel float, it's cheaper. I don't know why.
Because you can get away with following very few regulations if you’re in international waters, and pollute the shit out of the environment. Cruises are horrible, environmentally speaking.
My wife’s family loves cruises. I have made it very clear that I am morally opposed and will not join them on one, but her mom has tried to schedule a cruise as a family vacation anyway at least twice. I think she now finally understands I’m not going to be convinced by being told how much fun they are, after I outright said, “I understand they’re awesome, I’m sure I would love it, but I am not going to support that industry and its practices.”
At one point I honestly think she thought if she just got it scheduled and everyone else was onboard I’d come along. Fortunately she never got that far.
(I promise she’s actually a pretty cool person, I love my mother-in-law very much, but she can be stubborn.)
The polluting the waters they go bit is one of my only concerns to push back against. Depends on the ship but they shouldn't be actively polluting the water and when they do it is a mistake or the annoyance of lack of laws letting someone be lazy.
Food waste is sterilized and neutralized to be be able to either dump into the ocean if it can or be disposed of later. All trash is sorted and recycled or burned for fuel with scrubbers removing heavy pollutants from the smoke stack.
Quite a few ships actually get unprocessed gas as the processing generates the lubricant they need for the engines and allows for less chemical release at the site of the processing. And is offloaded once spent to chemical handling companies.
They even purify their own water before dumping it using algae and enzymes before uv sterilizing it.
They just mess shit up in ways that are also hard to explain, such as oasis class ships were so large that then traveling to Venice had an issue where the vibrations of the motors were shaking the foundation of the city and causing parts to collapse. Their wake churns algae from water oxygenation and so much more. But they are more or less just a city on the water with all the ups and downs of a regular one with more classism.
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Show me me the specs. Note also that this dock is not fixed to pylons, so it's being used as a barge.
EZ Dock Floating Work Platforms
The manufacturer markets them for carrying equipment.
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Is that... a mattress? What is that lol
EZ Dock is the brand name, and the company even markets its products for use as floating work platforms.
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I consider myself an expert in not dying.
No one with a Height Safety Clearance is going to work from a platform which is not certified for that use.
It's up to you to prove that this contraption is certified. Spoiler: it's not.
Anyhow, while I look forward to reading your final witty retort, I'm happy to let you engage in whatever practices you deem to be safe while I do the same. Good day sir.
(Not parent commenter) lil hedge makes it harder to argue! And more clear to me about experience/intuition vs. some specific dataset on hand.
Hope this comment doesn’t feel pushy - emphasis on my additions:
The lift is likely on a gimbal. If the wheels on one side of the lift are 1cm higher than the other, that would move the platform at the top by 8cm or something. If both guys are on one side of the platform that could be enough to make the whole thing tilt by another 1cm at the wheels, and so on.
From what I can tell, that lift is not designed to be operated on a plastic barge. So, ostensibly:
That dock is not designed to carry equipment, certainly not an elevated platform, and is not designed to be operated as a barge.
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When you port somewhere, you can rent a vehicle or take a taxi to places not in the port town. If you want to travel to various tropical islands, you can fly or float, it's not like there are a bunch of transportation options that can take you everywhere.
I'm not saying that rail is a worse option, I'm saying that cruises are fun, and that's why people go on them, which was the initial question I responded to.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like. You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality. A cruise ship is a small town full of entertainment. If there were no entertainment, yea, floating in the ocean would get boring after a few hours, unless you're into that kind of thing. They are mobile resorts, and when you wake up, you're in a new location. They aren't over crowded, except when everyone is boarding and leaving, but that's true with literally every form of mass transportation.
Some people take cruises and never leave the boat. They like to relax by the pool, enjoy the spa, partake in on board activities, gamble in the casino, eat all of the included free food or drinks, or whatever.
I'm not defending the environment part, or the legally sketchy stuff, but they're entertaining.
You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality.
I'm sharing subjective opinions based on my own preferences and lived experiences. Sorry they don't match up with yours, but we're having a disagreement about big boats, not a crisis of reality.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like.
Correct, because they don't interest me, and I'm not convinced enough by the people that like cruises to warrant spending the money on them.
There are thousands of existing "small towns full of entertainment" I'd rather go to than a cruise. I don't need my resort to be mobile, and if I want to end up in a new location, I'll book travel to that location. I don't need to go on a cruise to relax by a pool, or enjoy a spa, or partake in any of the mundane activities offered on board, or gamble in a casino, or eat food and drink drinks. Cruises don't offer anything unique that I can't find somewhere else, other than the novelty of being a cruise, and that novelty just doesn't interest me.
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EZ Dock Floating Work Platforms
The manufacturer markets them for carrying equipment.
A drill is equipment
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Actually the rule is that if they were fully just over water they would be ok to not wear a harness but due to there being a platform beneath their working area OSHA would require harnesses with connections made to ceiling or a guide line installed for working at those heights. This is also true if you are between 2 boats for work as they are still seen as more dangerous.
But open water in a boom lift? Yeah, no harness needed.
I was also thinking strapped to the ceiling would be the safest
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You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality.
I'm sharing subjective opinions based on my own preferences and lived experiences. Sorry they don't match up with yours, but we're having a disagreement about big boats, not a crisis of reality.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like.
Correct, because they don't interest me, and I'm not convinced enough by the people that like cruises to warrant spending the money on them.
There are thousands of existing "small towns full of entertainment" I'd rather go to than a cruise. I don't need my resort to be mobile, and if I want to end up in a new location, I'll book travel to that location. I don't need to go on a cruise to relax by a pool, or enjoy a spa, or partake in any of the mundane activities offered on board, or gamble in a casino, or eat food and drink drinks. Cruises don't offer anything unique that I can't find somewhere else, other than the novelty of being a cruise, and that novelty just doesn't interest me.
I'm saying the conclusions you're coming to that are wrong are things like, your stuck in a port town, or there's nothing to do out at sea. That's it. I'm not trying to convince you to go on a cruise, I'm still in reference to the OG question, why would anyone get on a cruise. You provided counter points that I'm refuting as not factual. You've not experienced a cruise, and you shouldn't based on your feelings towards boats, but you speak as though you have and are providing anecdotes.
Cruises aren't for everyone, but they are entertaining, that's the whole point I'm trying to make.
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I don't know. When I go to a city as a tourist, I typically stay for 4 to 7 days before moving elsewhere, so that I at least have a very vague idea of what the place is like. One afternoon isn't enough time to do anything, you can see a museum and have a coffee, which is nice, but doesn't tell you much about the place.
I suppose it's another way to visit, but it's odd to me.Sometimes it's not about the city you port in. I've been to St. Kitts a couple of times and have kayaked, snorkelled, toured, and chilled on a beach. I've gone SCUBA diving during a stop in Puerto Rico, and horseback riding in St Maarten. I mentioned it in another post, but now I would be willing to book a week long trip in some of the destinations I've been to with a confidence that I'll enjoy it.
Most of my vacations are to single destinations, but the sampler platter that is a cruise is fun too, just for different reasons.
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I'm saying the conclusions you're coming to that are wrong are things like, your stuck in a port town, or there's nothing to do out at sea. That's it. I'm not trying to convince you to go on a cruise, I'm still in reference to the OG question, why would anyone get on a cruise. You provided counter points that I'm refuting as not factual. You've not experienced a cruise, and you shouldn't based on your feelings towards boats, but you speak as though you have and are providing anecdotes.
Cruises aren't for everyone, but they are entertaining, that's the whole point I'm trying to make.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]your stuck in a port town
I said you're basically limited to coastline and port cities to point out the contrast to other modes of travel that aren't nearly as restricted. You either missed that point, or you're being pedantic.
there's nothing to do out at sea
My point was that without cruise ships, there would be nothing to do out at sea. Cruise ships solve the problem of "there's nothing to do or at sea", but in an unnecessary and dumb way, in my opinion. So again, I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say.
Ultimately I don't really care what anyone's opinion on cruises are. What I do care about is making sure I'm understood correctly, hopefully this helps.
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I’ve been invited on a few cruises.
I was in the navy, and immediately launch into a tirade about how top heavy and unsafe those things are.
“Well it’s never been a problem for us”
Okie dokie, I took statistics, so hard pass all the same
Statistics about top heavy cruise ships being unsafe? I suppose germs, but since you preceded that they are unsafe with being top heavy, I'm guessing you weren't talking about germs.
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It can’t be flexible, it is AI then
I just see it bending there. I can't say that it's definitely AI, I just see something clearly experiencing strain under the load, and that isn't safe.
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(Not parent commenter) lil hedge makes it harder to argue! And more clear to me about experience/intuition vs. some specific dataset on hand.
Hope this comment doesn’t feel pushy - emphasis on my additions:
The lift is likely on a gimbal. If the wheels on one side of the lift are 1cm higher than the other, that would move the platform at the top by 8cm or something. If both guys are on one side of the platform that could be enough to make the whole thing tilt by another 1cm at the wheels, and so on.
From what I can tell, that lift is not designed to be operated on a plastic barge. So, ostensibly:
That dock is not designed to carry equipment, certainly not an elevated platform, and is not designed to be operated as a barge.
Oh man. This is just using legal speak to water down my comments. It's lemmy, I'm not on trial.
The lift is not "likely" on a gimbal. It is balanced on top of a floating thing - that's a statement of fact. If the subject of the statement can rotate around a point like said floating thing then it's a gimbal.
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EZ Dock is the brand name, and the company even markets its products for use as floating work platforms.
As janky as it looks in the image, I've seen entire cranes mounted on those things.
