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AI cannot replace humans spiteful spirit

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  • C [email protected]

    Umm this is just being retro. Like using a film camera.

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    Raw film is objectively higher quality than raw digital. Are you saying that C is objectively higher quality than Rust?

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      Speaking of coding out of spite, is nobody going to mention that his C code features a struct with over 20 fields in it?

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      Oh man. You should see the source code for IOS (the Cisco one not Apple).

      Spent 5 years working on it out of college. I think it's the most cursed code base you can imagine.

      Not necessarily because of the massive struct defs everywhere. They are kinda needed when you're running an entire OS as basically a set of interacting Linux processes pretending to be an OS.

      At some point Cisco realized they could not compete without putting a Linux kernel as their base. So they basically just copy and pasted the old code written in the early 90s for the IOS and put it into a set Linux processes.

      To be clear. It's not just the front end. They didn't really change the code much from the old IOS. Its a cluster fuck of interprocess communication hacks that probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

      It is a massive pain in the ass to code because you're basically doing everything on the Linux kernel and then frustratingly have to write the CLIs for IOS just so Cisco can continue to sell their proprietary OS with some of the most unnecessary hardware locks. Massive learning curve for any new engineer.

      Literally, no one on the entire switching team knew how to send a message from a specific process to the IOS process. I had been assigned something that needed it. So I somehow figured it out and was "the guy" for that for the time I spent there.

      Fuck. I'm gonna start ranting more if I go any further. But yeah, sometimes you need a massive struct because some idiot decided that forcing a closed source CLI on the market is a good idea for profits.

      Definitely not a good idea for coding. But you learn quickly that no one actually cares about good code in this industry. There is no time for it. There is no reason for it. Just spit out garbage until it works and your manager won't care.

      If you want clean code. Go write an open source project or a personal project.

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      • schmoo@startrek.websiteS [email protected]

        Yes, as well as parts of the settings menu. What's not to love about constantly loading and unloading javascript just by clicking around in native apps? CPU spikes are good for your health.

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        Fucking Christ. Glad I left windows behind.

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        • M [email protected]

          What's this dude talking about?! Everyone knows no one hates React like people who code in React šŸ˜‚ No one is gonna get pissed off watching this.

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          I remember years ago when React was the savior of web apps Swooping in engineers from the clutches of JQuery and AngularJS (not to be confused with Angular 2+). Components we’re gonna make things simpler than the mess of JS files and global state.

          And generally that’s true but we’ve traded that off for a mess of hooks and 700 line nested functions in nested functions and obtuse rules that only apply to react and not JS.

          Complex web apps are hard.

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            Lakh views? šŸ¤”

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            A lakh is 100,000. It's an Indian numerical grouping much like how a thousand is a common western numerical grouping.

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            • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

              There used to be a UI library on the Amiga called MUI.

              It used a bunch of C macros to let you define the window and all the controls. Was honestly pretty good considering it was like 30 years ago.

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              There is another called ImGui which is also cool! Written in C++.

              https://github.com/ocornut/imgui

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              • 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub0 [email protected]

                Raw film is objectively higher quality than raw digital. Are you saying that C is objectively higher quality than Rust?

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                Excerpt film isn’t objectively better…

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                • G [email protected]

                  Shoulda been something more like Java Web Start.

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                  Maybe. But performance, availability, and security killed a number of viable options. Flash was always more ubiquitous than Java on the web but it eventually died too.

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                    Not really, but I'd probably try to organize those into sub structures where it made sense. A data structure holding the UI state and FFT data all flat is kinda messy imo since it becomes unclear what is actually required where.

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                    It is spite coding though.

                    He probably has a bunch of gotos too.

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                    • H [email protected]

                      Vibe coding in assembly.

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                      I tried vibe coding a simple assembly program and it couldn't do it

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                      • C [email protected]

                        Excerpt film isn’t objectively better…

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                        That's what your original comment was eluding to, so I was confirming with you that that's what you meant.

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                        • C [email protected]

                          Maybe. But performance, availability, and security killed a number of viable options. Flash was always more ubiquitous than Java on the web but it eventually died too.

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                          Flash was also cancer that ruined web pages.

                          The reason Java Web Start wasn't, was specifically because once you clicked on the link, it downloaded the app and started it as a real desktop application, with its own window and taskbar entry and whatnot. It didn't rely on being embedded in HTML (I'm specifically not talking about Java applets, BTW -- they sucked too) or manipulating the DOM for its UI; it could use Swing and have the same look and feel as a native application.

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                            laughs in Vaadin

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                              Do React devs really hate React?

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                              I think it’s great and I’ve been working with it for 6 years. Many issues were resolved over time. We didn’t even have hooks back when I started! Those were dark times. And the new compiler helps with memoization.

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                                React Native

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                                  this is like when I built that web server in x86 assembly lol.

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                                    this is like when I built that web server in x86 assembly lol.

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                                    I bet that thing was fast!

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                                      I moved from Visual Basic (3 no less!) to C because I needed to optimize the performance of a software synthesis (like, sound synthesis) application I was developing at the time (mid-1990s). It boggles my mind to this day how much fucking work you had to do just to create a simple window in C. It instantly made clear why UIs at the time were so bad and I went back to Visual Basic for the UI with a compiled C DLL to do the heavy lifting.

                                      There's no excuse for why UIs are still so bad today.

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                                      • S [email protected]

                                        I have definitely gone into a rageful fugue state and woken up a week later after reworking an entire code base from being an inconsistent mess of slop...

                                        ...into actually having a common library of functions instead of just rewriting slightly different versions of them 8 times, having those functions only actually instantiated for necesarry classes...

                                        ...rewriting every variable name and function name to an actually consistent and intelligible naming scheme...

                                        ... and finally, moving a whole bunch of shit out of some kind of global 'think' type loop that doesn't actually need to be called or checked every goddamned micro second.

                                        Done that more than once actually.

                                        Never look inside 'baby's first video game mod' code, unless you have healthy blood pressure.

                                        But uh yeah, spite, hatred, and anger are indeed powerful motivators for making good code, lol.

                                        ... so many idiots just jam everything into a global, called every tick loop, and then claim that it just can't be optimized, because "the game engine just can't handle it"...

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                                        I spent a good fraction of my career taking over and trying to fix code bases that my company refused to scrap and replace outright because they didn't want to admit their worthlessness. Complete rewrites would have taken maybe a tenth of the time I spent.

                                        My favorite thing to encounter (which was nearly universal) was the phenomenon of a young programmer fresh out of college encountering SQL for the first time, deciding he hated it, and writing a huge mess of code to handle auto-generating the necessary SQL. I remember taking over one C# application that had classes named "AND.cs" and "OR.cs" which just took a String as a parameter and returned that String with " AND " and " OR " appended to it, respectively. In about an hour, I replaced three months of this guy's work that had bottlenecked the project with like five SQL statements.

                                        It's insane to think what the civil engineering world would be like if it had the career structure of the software world.

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                                          I'm still waiting for the day we get a proper alternative to JavaScript.

                                          If I had to make one, it would have a Bash-like syntax

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