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Gaming handheld prices are out of control, except for the Steam Deck

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    I would love to see a lower powered and low budget focused one. Powerful enough for locally running a web browser, normal Linux stuff like SSH and some low spec games like CDDA. Otherwise most games would be played by streaming it from your desktop.

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    So essentially a Steam Link/Moonlight thin client? Yeah, I like the idea of that.

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    • K [email protected]

      I would love to see a lower powered and low budget focused one. Powerful enough for locally running a web browser, normal Linux stuff like SSH and some low spec games like CDDA. Otherwise most games would be played by streaming it from your desktop.

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      You want a linux psp, a media device that had a web browser too. The psp was som far ahead of its time.

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      • R [email protected]

        I think even 1cm would be enough. Take a look at the ifixit steamdeck heatsink replacement guide to see how small the heatsink is.

        https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Steam+Deck+Heatsink+Replacement/148904

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        I was thinking about a bigger fan. Diddnt someone bolt a pc fan on? Dont remember, but that was my tought tiny fan replacing with Silent 80-140 and the noise is gone.

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          Two things massively help Valve:

          Steam is a goddamned money printing machine, they are the most profitable software company per capita, per employee... possibly bar none.

          Also... they're not publically traded.

          They do not have investors constantly forcing maximization of short term profits at the cost of literally everything else.

          ... So they can afford to ... not price gauge everyone.

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          ... So they can afford to ... not price gauge everyone.

          They must be too busy enabling children gambling on hats

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          • K [email protected]

            I would love to see a lower powered and low budget focused one. Powerful enough for locally running a web browser, normal Linux stuff like SSH and some low spec games like CDDA. Otherwise most games would be played by streaming it from your desktop.

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            I think a budget android handheld could work well for game streaming. TechDweeb and Retro Game Corps newest videos show android handhelds that cost less than 100€.

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              I would love to see a lower powered and low budget focused one. Powerful enough for locally running a web browser, normal Linux stuff like SSH and some low spec games like CDDA. Otherwise most games would be played by streaming it from your desktop.

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              There are loads and loads of really cheap Android-based emulator handhelds. The YouTuber TechDweeb does lots of reviews of these devices. These things have effectively spawned their own retro gaming ecosystem around them.

              An alternative is to pick up a used New Nintendo 3DS (New being part of the name, distinguishing it from the original 3DS which is way less powerful). This device can be hacked to run many different emulators and play thousands of games. While the screens are not as good as the best Android handhelds, the form factor is ideally suited for running DS and 3DS games (which obviously run natively on the device) while still being great for older single-screen systems (the unused touch screen is excellent for emulator controls such as pause/resume and save/load state).

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                Crys in Australian

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                https://www.pcgamer.com/when-does-the-steam-deck-release-in-australia/

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                  There are loads and loads of really cheap Android-based emulator handhelds. The YouTuber TechDweeb does lots of reviews of these devices. These things have effectively spawned their own retro gaming ecosystem around them.

                  An alternative is to pick up a used New Nintendo 3DS (New being part of the name, distinguishing it from the original 3DS which is way less powerful). This device can be hacked to run many different emulators and play thousands of games. While the screens are not as good as the best Android handhelds, the form factor is ideally suited for running DS and 3DS games (which obviously run natively on the device) while still being great for older single-screen systems (the unused touch screen is excellent for emulator controls such as pause/resume and save/load state).

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                  A used PS Vita would be better I feel. Similar size, and just as hackable (Emu4Vita). Except a Vita has:

                  • better screen
                  • Bluetooth audio (more and more headphones are Bluetooth)
                  • A functional sleep mode (the 3ds doesn't go into sleep mode unless it's a 3DS/DS game. So any emulator game just turns off the screen but still runs and drains the battery)
                  • A possibly standard connector (the 2000 series uses micro-USB)

                  The only advantage a 3DS has is that it has 3DS and DS games, but the Vita has PS Vita games, PSP games, and PSX games to its advantage.

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                    A used PS Vita would be better I feel. Similar size, and just as hackable (Emu4Vita). Except a Vita has:

                    • better screen
                    • Bluetooth audio (more and more headphones are Bluetooth)
                    • A functional sleep mode (the 3ds doesn't go into sleep mode unless it's a 3DS/DS game. So any emulator game just turns off the screen but still runs and drains the battery)
                    • A possibly standard connector (the 2000 series uses micro-USB)

                    The only advantage a 3DS has is that it has 3DS and DS games, but the Vita has PS Vita games, PSP games, and PSX games to its advantage.

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                    My N3DS runs PSX games just fine via RetroArch.

                    The Bluetooth audio sounds really nice though.

                    I don’t know anything about the PSP or Vita libraries so I don’t know why I would want them. The DS and 3DS library is absolutely ginormous so that’s a big draw for me.

                    As for sleeping/power drain, I haven’t had too many issues since I turned the brightness down. I don’t have enough free time in a day to drain the whole battery and I plug it in to charge every night. Maybe the sleep issues with emulators have been fixed? I use RetroArch and it seems to work fine coming in and out of sleep.

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                      I honestly don't understand why most companies aren't private instead of public. Like which founder looks forward to answering to investors when they could just be answerable to themselves and their employees and maybe board, like are they looking for a massive exit payout by going public or to raise funds to become a bigger company, but I argue if you are making enough to be profitable why chase being bigger

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                      Because public companies get a huge infusion of cash from their IPO.

                      This makes them a much bigger fish in the pond.

                      Big fish eats the little fish.

                      Grow or die.

                      The kind of core problem with a market based economy is that markets almost always tend toward consolidation over time... and you have to have a well maintained set of regulators and laws to keep up with industries to keep this in check.

                      But those corps tend to have so much money and influence that they just buy the government via outright bribes/corruption and PR campaigns to dupe the masses into supporting politicians and policies that will be corpo friendly.

                      In short... most companies actually are private. 9/10 new business fail in a year or two, largely because they cant compete in a world dominated by a small number of very well known, very big fish.

                      ...

                      Like uh, think of this.

                      Stock Exchanges?

                      Those aren't government entities. Those are companies, private companies.

                      A really good strategy for a marketplace economy... is to literally be the marketplace, the platform.

                      Thats why basically every large game publisher either is trying to or tried to be their own content platform.

                      Mostly this hasn't worked at all, but uh take Roblox, thats pretty wildy successful as more of a platform for games, than a specific game.

                      Its garrysmod but executed with uh... better business strategy (massively barring all the pedo problems but hey thats the cost of doing business apparently!).

                      The super uber game that all AAA game publishers keep trying to build and mostly failing at is a persistent world of some kind that allows for it to be its own contained ecosystem for new dlc, new cosmetics... the game isnt even fundamentally important, its the ability to have the game recieve constant inflows of money.

                      Gacha games exemplify this amazingly well, and they've been, by $$$ transaction volume, larger than more conventional games for a decade now... there is little pure monetary incentive to make a high quality game when the market keeps proving basically low quality slop that looks pretty, and can be microminetized, is an extremely effective business model.

                      Its basically just designing a video game as an addictive drug.

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                        I think a budget android handheld could work well for game streaming. TechDweeb and Retro Game Corps newest videos show android handhelds that cost less than 100€.

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                        With google looking at locking down Android and preventing you from installing things on it I would rather not

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                          I completely agree. I passed over the Steam Deck and went for the MSI Claw 8 instead. I was willing to pay the extra for a waaaay better CPU/GPU combo and - the killer feature IMHO - not one, but two Thunderbolt ports. Long term, this means I can expect a longer life out of my MSI than the Steam Deck is likely to get, but also means when the GPU does start to chug I can connect an eGPU to it's dock.

                          To be clear, that doesn't mean I don't rate the Steam Deck - I really, really do - and it's level of capability and price-point will act as a stabalising point for the wider industry, but I paid more for a better device and got my money's worth.

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                            I have a gaming pc monitor, keyboard, and trackball (no reason to debase myself and use a mouse) all on my Steam deck. And if I want to take my Steam deck with me to work, I can do that too.

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                            USB-C docking station mater race.

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                              My N3DS runs PSX games just fine via RetroArch.

                              The Bluetooth audio sounds really nice though.

                              I don’t know anything about the PSP or Vita libraries so I don’t know why I would want them. The DS and 3DS library is absolutely ginormous so that’s a big draw for me.

                              As for sleeping/power drain, I haven’t had too many issues since I turned the brightness down. I don’t have enough free time in a day to drain the whole battery and I plug it in to charge every night. Maybe the sleep issues with emulators have been fixed? I use RetroArch and it seems to work fine coming in and out of sleep.

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                              PSP had an amazing library of games that I honestly miss and am glad to see some of them coming back soon in the way of spiritual successors.

                              Some of the tops for me were:

                              Monster hunter
                              Cladun
                              Dj max
                              Patapon
                              Loco roco
                              Final fantasy dissidia
                              Half minute hero
                              Lumines
                              Patchwork hero
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                                My N3DS runs PSX games just fine via RetroArch.

                                The Bluetooth audio sounds really nice though.

                                I don’t know anything about the PSP or Vita libraries so I don’t know why I would want them. The DS and 3DS library is absolutely ginormous so that’s a big draw for me.

                                As for sleeping/power drain, I haven’t had too many issues since I turned the brightness down. I don’t have enough free time in a day to drain the whole battery and I plug it in to charge every night. Maybe the sleep issues with emulators have been fixed? I use RetroArch and it seems to work fine coming in and out of sleep.

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                                What PSX games did you try? I tried Silent Hill and it was more of a sideshow than a game.

                                As for the power drain, I don't always have time to charge every night and that's when I see the problems. (Traveling and such)

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                                  And Steam sales subsidize the deck, too.

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                                    #TuckFrump

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                                      What PSX games did you try? I tried Silent Hill and it was more of a sideshow than a game.

                                      As for the power drain, I don't always have time to charge every night and that's when I see the problems. (Traveling and such)

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                                      Did you try it on a 3DS or a New 3DS? They look so similar and have such similar names that it’s easy to confuse them but the hardware difference is enormous.

                                      Also when did you last try it? There’s been a ton of work put into the dynarec PSX core (I forget the exact name of the emulator. It’s basically an alphabet soup name) for RetroArch that’s made night and day performance improvements.

                                      I can’t help much on the travelling bit. I’m actually surprised that a PS Vita would last multiple days of all-day gaming while travelling without being able to charge.

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                                        Did you try it on a 3DS or a New 3DS? They look so similar and have such similar names that it’s easy to confuse them but the hardware difference is enormous.

                                        Also when did you last try it? There’s been a ton of work put into the dynarec PSX core (I forget the exact name of the emulator. It’s basically an alphabet soup name) for RetroArch that’s made night and day performance improvements.

                                        I can’t help much on the travelling bit. I’m actually surprised that a PS Vita would last multiple days of all-day gaming while travelling without being able to charge.

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                                        I have a N3DS. As for when I last tried, would have been 8 to 12 months ago max.

                                        And the Vita doesn't has multiple days of all day gaming, it has about the same amount of play time as the 3DS, but it can be left in sleep mode for much longer. After 2-3 days of being in sleep mode (normal, not an emulator), the 3DS battery is drained and i need to recharge it. The Vita can sit for a week or 2 and barely have lost any power.

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                                          PSP had an amazing library of games that I honestly miss and am glad to see some of them coming back soon in the way of spiritual successors.

                                          Some of the tops for me were:

                                          Monster hunter
                                          Cladun
                                          Dj max
                                          Patapon
                                          Loco roco
                                          Final fantasy dissidia
                                          Half minute hero
                                          Lumines
                                          Patchwork hero
                                          Holy invasion of privacy badman! What did I do to deserve this?
                                          Disgeae

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                                          Some of those definitely look like weird and creative games!

                                          I’m not too fond of the post-6 Final Fantasy games, mostly for their looks, so Dissidia doesn’t appeal to me. I do really like Final Fantasy Tactics though I can play it on my N3DS (along with FFTA and A2).

                                          My friend has been begging me to get into the Fire Emblem series and when I do that will be a big rabbit hole. I also want to play the Phoenix Wright and Professor Layton games (which really take advantage of the DS hardware).

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