So proud!
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I'm not comfortable using it, that's my whole goddamn point. Do you really think that was a gotcha? I've been talking about how it's not possible to use it without it being an insult, it is by definition insulting. It's the same thing as dropping the hard r. I can use it as an example or in a quote during a discussion and still find it reprehensible because it's never not insulting and it's certainly not the same as using it in the context of is intended for.
Is your argument so bad you had to resort to this weird gotcha attempt?
I'm not comfortable using it
I mean, you've used it soooo many times in this exchange now. You must be a mega-bigot by this point.
How can you even live with yourself?
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I'm not comfortable using it
I mean, you've used it soooo many times in this exchange now. You must be a mega-bigot by this point.
How can you even live with yourself?
Yes in a discussion about the word I might have to use it a time or two. Go figure.
Ah so ad hominem instead of an argument.
I guess we answered how weak your argument was.
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Yes in a discussion about the word I might have to use it a time or two. Go figure.
Ah so ad hominem instead of an argument.
I guess we answered how weak your argument was.
It's an ad-hominem to follow your logic in which you claim that you are now a bigot as a result of this conversation?
Or is it just that your reasoning is beyond goofy?
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It's an ad-hominem to follow your logic in which you claim that you are now a bigot as a result of this conversation?
Or is it just that your reasoning is beyond goofy?
It's as hominem to abandon your position and instead insult me, especially after this dumb attempt at a gotcha that is you haven't figured out also means you agree it's a sexist slur. So I dunno, good job there genius.
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It's as hominem to abandon your position and instead insult me, especially after this dumb attempt at a gotcha that is you haven't figured out also means you agree it's a sexist slur. So I dunno, good job there genius.
What position have I abandoned? I've simply followed your logic that says anyone who uses the word "manspain" in any context is a bigot.
Show me the inconsistency.
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What position have I abandoned? I've simply followed your logic that says anyone who uses the word "manspain" in any context is a bigot.
Show me the inconsistency.
You doesn't respond to a single one, you insulted me that's called abandoninga position to attack me instead ie: ad hominem.
Nope not at all. I said it's a bigoted word and if you use it as it's intended you're a bigot. This isn't difficult.
Show me the inconsistency.
All the parts you're intentionally ignoring to make your dipshit gotcha point.
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You doesn't respond to a single one, you insulted me that's called abandoninga position to attack me instead ie: ad hominem.
Nope not at all. I said it's a bigoted word and if you use it as it's intended you're a bigot. This isn't difficult.
Show me the inconsistency.
All the parts you're intentionally ignoring to make your dipshit gotcha point.
So you can't show me how my conclusion isn't sound based on the logic you laid out?
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So you can't show me how my conclusion isn't sound based on the logic you laid out?
I have. Many times, you refuse to accept the obvious and ignore everything I've said that doesn't support your point. Why should I prove anything to you at this point, you don't care about the point you care about winning which is why you insult me when you can't think of an argument.
You're a bully, so why should anyone play with you let alone me?
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I have. Many times, you refuse to accept the obvious and ignore everything I've said that doesn't support your point. Why should I prove anything to you at this point, you don't care about the point you care about winning which is why you insult me when you can't think of an argument.
You're a bully, so why should anyone play with you let alone me?
No you haven't.
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No you haven't.
This is what we're doing now?
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That's the same question the whole time, you're trying to move goalposts if anything. You should use a thesaurus pejorative and slur are synonyms. No one said they're the same I said their both bigoted and they are.
You can quote the original question back and you'll find it to be the same and we both know it.
Have fun refusing to accept using sexist terms is sexist.
wrote last edited by [email protected]pejorative and slur are synonyms.
No one said they’re the same
This is hilarious
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pejorative and slur are synonyms.
No one said they’re the same
This is hilarious
That still doesn't say they're the same, you need to up that reading comprehension game. There are many slurs, are they all the same? No because duh.
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This is what we're doing now?
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's really up to you.
You can either demonstrate how your logic doesn't result in you calling yourself a bigot, or concede that you are one.
You keep saying it's an ad hominem, but I'm not saying your argument is invalid because you're a bigot.
I'm saying either your logic isn't sound, or if it is, then you must conclude that you are a bigot as a result of it.
You refuse to concede that your logic isn't sound, so therefore...
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That's really up to you.
You can either demonstrate how your logic doesn't result in you calling yourself a bigot, or concede that you are one.
You keep saying it's an ad hominem, but I'm not saying your argument is invalid because you're a bigot.
I'm saying either your logic isn't sound, or if it is, then you must conclude that you are a bigot as a result of it.
You refuse to concede that your logic isn't sound, so therefore...
A. I'm not saying it isn't bigoted.
B. How can we discuss this subject without me necessarily use it.
C. Using a word as an example isn't the same as using it in it's intended context.
D. You didn't make an argument you made an insult that didn't even particularly make sense but it's intent was clear. That's ad hominem, trying to hedge your way out by claiming it's part of this brilliant scheme you think you're conducting is at best disingenuous.
E. No I lost conclude you don't understand logic, example, reasoning or basic critical thinking.
I won't concede something that isn't factual, you're celebrating a win when you're at the starting line homie.
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A. I'm not saying it isn't bigoted.
B. How can we discuss this subject without me necessarily use it.
C. Using a word as an example isn't the same as using it in it's intended context.
D. You didn't make an argument you made an insult that didn't even particularly make sense but it's intent was clear. That's ad hominem, trying to hedge your way out by claiming it's part of this brilliant scheme you think you're conducting is at best disingenuous.
E. No I lost conclude you don't understand logic, example, reasoning or basic critical thinking.
I won't concede something that isn't factual, you're celebrating a win when you're at the starting line homie.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm not saying it isn't bigoted.
That's not what I said. Read more carefully.
I said your logic concludes that you are bigoted for using it.
How can we discuss this subject without me necessarily use it.
You probably can't, which really puts you in a corner, logically.
Using a word as an example isn't the same as using it in it's intended context.
You previously stated that it is sexist in any context. So that's irrelevant.
You didn't make an argument you made an insult that didn't even particularly make sense but it's intent was clear.
My argument is perfectly clear: it's that your logic is flawed.
That's ad hominem
Again, no it's not. An ad hominem is when you use a character attack to discredit an argument. That's not what I'm doing.
No I lost
Lol
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I'm not saying it isn't bigoted.
That's not what I said. Read more carefully.
I said your logic concludes that you are bigoted for using it.
How can we discuss this subject without me necessarily use it.
You probably can't, which really puts you in a corner, logically.
Using a word as an example isn't the same as using it in it's intended context.
You previously stated that it is sexist in any context. So that's irrelevant.
You didn't make an argument you made an insult that didn't even particularly make sense but it's intent was clear.
My argument is perfectly clear: it's that your logic is flawed.
That's ad hominem
Again, no it's not. An ad hominem is when you use a character attack to discredit an argument. That's not what I'm doing.
No I lost
Lol
That's exactly what you're arguing.
No it concedes that I'm using a bigoted word in a discussion about said bigoted word. It's really not hard to figure out unless you're trying to be blind.
Not at all, I know it's bigoted, you just admitted it was bigoted and thus you agree with me. Duh.
It is, you can't remove the racist insult from the hard r and you can't erase the sexism from mansplaining they are inherent.
No your argument is janky at best and we know that because you devolved to insults rather than discussion.
It is though it is amusing you just described what just did as your example of ad hominem.
An error? Who makes those?! Grow up
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That's exactly what you're arguing.
No it concedes that I'm using a bigoted word in a discussion about said bigoted word. It's really not hard to figure out unless you're trying to be blind.
Not at all, I know it's bigoted, you just admitted it was bigoted and thus you agree with me. Duh.
It is, you can't remove the racist insult from the hard r and you can't erase the sexism from mansplaining they are inherent.
No your argument is janky at best and we know that because you devolved to insults rather than discussion.
It is though it is amusing you just described what just did as your example of ad hominem.
An error? Who makes those?! Grow up
"My argument is perfectly clear: it’s that your logic is flawed."
That’s exactly what you’re arguing.
Yeah no shit, that's why I said it...
No it concedes that I’m using a bigoted word
Correct, which, by your logic, makes you a sexist:
When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist just like I’m not stopping to ask the person dropping hard r’s if they think they’re racist
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"My argument is perfectly clear: it’s that your logic is flawed."
That’s exactly what you’re arguing.
Yeah no shit, that's why I said it...
No it concedes that I’m using a bigoted word
Correct, which, by your logic, makes you a sexist:
When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist just like I’m not stopping to ask the person dropping hard r’s if they think they’re racist
That's not what I said. Read more carefully.
That's what I was referring to, clearly. Though I love how your argument style just keeps getting more and more disingenuous and rude.
No it means I exampled a bigoted word in a discussion about that word, there's a huge difference between an academic discussion and using it in my day to day life.
If that's the way you need to see it to accept that it is on fact sexist then yes, sure. If rather you think I'm a bigot then you actually be a bigot and use bigoted terms.
Yeah except that's me and we know I don't mean it given the plethora of context but please try to climb that pile you insist on greasing.
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That's not what I said. Read more carefully.
That's what I was referring to, clearly. Though I love how your argument style just keeps getting more and more disingenuous and rude.
No it means I exampled a bigoted word in a discussion about that word, there's a huge difference between an academic discussion and using it in my day to day life.
If that's the way you need to see it to accept that it is on fact sexist then yes, sure. If rather you think I'm a bigot then you actually be a bigot and use bigoted terms.
Yeah except that's me and we know I don't mean it given the plethora of context but please try to climb that pile you insist on greasing.
That's what I was referring to, clearly.
So your response to "That's not what I said" is "That's exactly what you're arguing?"
Even though I explained it to you right after that line?
I said your logic concludes that you are bigoted for using it.
Weird.
No it concedes that I'm using a bigoted word in a discussion about said bigoted word.
Correct. And:
When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist
So, according to you:
- The word is bigoted/sexist no matter the context
- Using a bigoted/sexist term means you are going to be assigned to be sexist
- You used a bigoted/sexist term
Pretty simple stuff, guy. No one made you say these things. You can't be mad at me because you painted yourself into a corner.
Yeah except that's me and we know I don't mean it given the plethora of context
Contradicts with:
When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist
Which is it?
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That's what I was referring to, clearly.
So your response to "That's not what I said" is "That's exactly what you're arguing?"
Even though I explained it to you right after that line?
I said your logic concludes that you are bigoted for using it.
Weird.
No it concedes that I'm using a bigoted word in a discussion about said bigoted word.
Correct. And:
When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist
So, according to you:
- The word is bigoted/sexist no matter the context
- Using a bigoted/sexist term means you are going to be assigned to be sexist
- You used a bigoted/sexist term
Pretty simple stuff, guy. No one made you say these things. You can't be mad at me because you painted yourself into a corner.
Yeah except that's me and we know I don't mean it given the plethora of context
Contradicts with:
When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist
Which is it?
Jesus Christ, you're somehow losing the ability to follow a conversation.
Why are you quoting yourself?
It is sexist no matter the context, I'm not using it against anyone so I'm not a bigot I'm just exampling a bigoted word. You're being obtuse. Is there a way to remove the intended insult from the hard r? No. Can you remove the intended insult from mansplaining? No. So both of those are always bigoted at times you might argue there's some moral reason to do it but that's all ex post facto.
It's sexist. If you need to see me as a bigot to get that across the so be it but you know as well as I do your argument is void of logic.