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Superman director James Gunn wants the DCU "to be mostly self-contained," because it's not about telling "one long story," it's about "creating a universe"

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    The problem with an interconnected DCU is Superman though. At some point, if a situation gets bad enough, why doesn't Superman fix it. He has super speed, super strength and super hearing. I can believe the Avengers aren't aware of a problem, but Superman always should be. Unless the new film fixes that.

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    Well, first of all, apparently this Superman, while still being the strongest hero, is pretty nerfed compared to his comic version.

    Secondly, you have the same problem with the MCU. Why didn’t the Eternals intervene against Thanos? Why wasn't Captain Marvel called when Loki attacked New York with a Chitauri army? Why did Hawkeye and Black Widow not immediately get Iron Man armours when joining the Avengers? And so on. The answer is of course, it's a comic book movie. Don't overthink it.

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      It's just like the comics it doesn't matter just tell a good story with the characters on screen. If you need head cannon for superman the answer is he was busy dealing with an even greater threat.

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      I'm with you, a good story is paramount and so much more important. But for Gunn to say he's interested in not telling a connected story, but instead building a connected world... I'm not sure DC is built for that.

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        The problem with an interconnected DCU is Superman though. At some point, if a situation gets bad enough, why doesn't Superman fix it. He has super speed, super strength and super hearing. I can believe the Avengers aren't aware of a problem, but Superman always should be. Unless the new film fixes that.

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        I'd love for batman to explain at one point, that even though superman could solve 99% of their problems, and also that Superman would be within seconds of being called.

        that the risk of overworking him is too great, if his human relations suffer, if he gets depressed or stressed or burn out. the risk is too great.

        imagine superman giving up, or having a mental breakdown.

        the consequences will be superman being more sloppy and causing unintended collateral damage or die (losing earth greatest asset), or maybe even have a full mental breakdown and detached from humanity and try to "fix" the world rather than protect it.

        Superman not being called for every issue is a matter of upmost importance.

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        • P [email protected]

          I'm with you, a good story is paramount and so much more important. But for Gunn to say he's interested in not telling a connected story, but instead building a connected world... I'm not sure DC is built for that.

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          Maybe but what he's talking about is Ironman in 2006. It wasn't connected from a plot standpoint it was self contained. The idea is instead of fleshing out characters in the team books. You develop them in standalone titles then once that is done. You have fun with team titles where the priority is not character development but the dynamics of the team. Now from what we have we seen before can they execute that vision is to be seen. But it's a good plan.

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            I'd love for batman to explain at one point, that even though superman could solve 99% of their problems, and also that Superman would be within seconds of being called.

            that the risk of overworking him is too great, if his human relations suffer, if he gets depressed or stressed or burn out. the risk is too great.

            imagine superman giving up, or having a mental breakdown.

            the consequences will be superman being more sloppy and causing unintended collateral damage or die (losing earth greatest asset), or maybe even have a full mental breakdown and detached from humanity and try to "fix" the world rather than protect it.

            Superman not being called for every issue is a matter of upmost importance.

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            That's basically the entire basis of The Sentry from Marvel.

            What if Superman had depression.

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              The problem with an interconnected DCU is Superman though. At some point, if a situation gets bad enough, why doesn't Superman fix it. He has super speed, super strength and super hearing. I can believe the Avengers aren't aware of a problem, but Superman always should be. Unless the new film fixes that.

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              While he has super-speed, super-hearing, super-strength... he's not omnipotent, omniscient, nor omnipresent. He still has limitations, even if he has less than the typical person, or even the typical superhero.

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                That's basically the entire basis of The Sentry from Marvel.

                What if Superman had depression.

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                exactly.

                but it fits so well with the the comic universe where every problem could be solved by superman.

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                  Maybe but what he's talking about is Ironman in 2006. It wasn't connected from a plot standpoint it was self contained. The idea is instead of fleshing out characters in the team books. You develop them in standalone titles then once that is done. You have fun with team titles where the priority is not character development but the dynamics of the team. Now from what we have we seen before can they execute that vision is to be seen. But it's a good plan.

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                  Ahhhh, ok. Yes, that's a much, much better plan.

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                    I'd love for batman to explain at one point, that even though superman could solve 99% of their problems, and also that Superman would be within seconds of being called.

                    that the risk of overworking him is too great, if his human relations suffer, if he gets depressed or stressed or burn out. the risk is too great.

                    imagine superman giving up, or having a mental breakdown.

                    the consequences will be superman being more sloppy and causing unintended collateral damage or die (losing earth greatest asset), or maybe even have a full mental breakdown and detached from humanity and try to "fix" the world rather than protect it.

                    Superman not being called for every issue is a matter of upmost importance.

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                    I actually really love that idea. It really helps fill in the gaps.

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                      I actually really love that idea. It really helps fill in the gaps.

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                      plus, explains why Superman is that one superhero who is allowed to be colourful and happy. while everyone else has dark and gritty.

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