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Brave browser blocks Windows feature that takes screenshots of everything you do on your PC

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    Honestly it largely is.

    Personally I like sharing crash reports, but even then, the user should be able to turn that off if you like.

    Telemetry should be 100% opt-in.

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    Honestly it largely is.

    I mean, by definition, it isn't.

    It's anonymous and not malicious in nature. It's a diagnostic and engagement measuring tool.

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      how the hell do you not?

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      I don't know, maybe because I understand the definition of "spyware" and "telemetry"?

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      • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

        It's not, but it's also not spyware - it's local, encrypted, AND optional.

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        Microsoft is known for making things “optional” at first then eventually forcing it down everyone’s throats. Removing offline accounts is one of them.

        It’s not so much the technology itself is malware, but its behavior replicates that of malware.

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        • W [email protected]

          No way they'd do that though, because then they'd have the mouse and the other members of the content mafia breathing down their necks.

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          It's an image every few seconds. Not that piracy is currently even interested in tech that reencodes the content.
          And for training, copyrighted stuff is already everywhere; AI tools seem to be limited on the output side rather than raw training data.

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          • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

            Do you consider any form of telemetry "spyware"?

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            You consider actual, literal spyware as being merely telemetry?

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            • redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.comR [email protected]

              It's an image every few seconds. Not that piracy is currently even interested in tech that reencodes the content.
              And for training, copyrighted stuff is already everywhere; AI tools seem to be limited on the output side rather than raw training data.

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              Sure it wouldnt be rational to care about DRM being broken a small amount allowing limited amount of copyright material to be copied.

              What do you think their response would be?

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                In this thread something I see a lot on lemmy is happening. Maybe someone can give me a hint on how that happens. The post itself is 90% upvotes, while the comment section is really anti-Brave (for good reasons). Do most upvotes come from people scrolling through without looking at the comment section and those with an opinion on the topic dive into it?

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                I upvote the post because I support the feature, and would like to see more browsers implement more privacy focused features.

                I upvote the anti-Brave comments, because fuck Brave.

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                  Just avoid using an “AI” cpu.

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                    Switching to Hannah Montana Linux made me hear The Best of Both Worlds again.

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                    I want to use Corey in the House Linux

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                    • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

                      Honestly it largely is.

                      I mean, by definition, it isn't.

                      It's anonymous and not malicious in nature. It's a diagnostic and engagement measuring tool.

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                      diagnostic

                      I think it is useful to send crash reports, but the user should have power over it (see: when macOS generates a crash report, it asks the user if they would like to send it)

                      engagement measuring

                      That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent, and I consider that malicious. There are ways to do that with consent. See: Steam’s annual hardware survey

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                      • trihilis@ani.socialT [email protected]

                        The post itself is reasonable quality and informative so I find it upvote worthy. If a post is low quality or a shit post then I downvote.

                        To me the karma system is about quality. Not an "I agree/disagree" button.

                        For comments I only down vote obvious trolls, bigots/racism etc.

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                        Well, one could argue if just posting a link with a title is a 'quality' post. But the topic is still worth a discussion so I don't see why it should be downvoted.

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                          Librewolf is too restrictive and not suitable for everyday browsing. I hate it.

                          never tested cromite

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                          im pretty sure you can disable a ton of stuff in the options menu

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                            The fact that the dev behind brave is a homophobe isn't opt in though...

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                            It's also just another flavor of chromium so it still helps Google maintain their monopoly.

                            Anyone trying to de-google needs to be using Firefox.

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                            • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

                              I don't know, maybe because I understand the definition of "spyware" and "telemetry"?

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                              Well, semantically yes, not all telemetry is spyware. However regarding Windows telemetry it's indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed.

                              The crux is that Windows telemetry is opt out, opting out can't be done during installation, and historically opting out wasn't sticky. Additionally some Windows telemetry is still being sent despite opting out.

                              That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

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                                im pretty sure you can disable a ton of stuff in the options menu

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                                Yeah but for example fingerprinting is either fully on or fully off

                                Switching defaults hurt fingerprinting more than it helps so at that point might as well stay with the default firefox

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                                  I'm pretty sure if Firefox/Mozilla decides to change their policy on something, most forks of firefox will have no choice but follow the same path

                                  afaik all firefox forks are really small, just like chromium forks

                                  Mozilla might not have as much conflicting interests though, I admit it

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                                  Oh yeah, absolutely. There are no good options for a truly libre web, unfortunately. 😞

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                                  • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

                                    Honestly it largely is.

                                    I mean, by definition, it isn't.

                                    It's anonymous and not malicious in nature. It's a diagnostic and engagement measuring tool.

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                                    And how do you know it's not malicious in nature? I'd like to know what your definition of "malicious" is if you're just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you're doing.

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                                    • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

                                      It's not, but it's also not spyware - it's local, encrypted, AND optional.

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                                      Optional like how it reminds me every 3 days that it wants my info for "customization" purposes, and I can only sleep the notification for another 3 days instead of telling it to fuck off?

                                      They have been so predatory, at this point no one should see anything they do as benefiting end users.

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                                      • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                                        MacOS isn't terrible, only the hardware is.

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                                        I despise their business model, their design decisions, and their walled garden. I will agree that the OS is fine. I was forced to use a MacBook at a software development job in the past. It being UNIX was a big point why I didn't immediately hate it. I will still agree with the other users and say that their hardware is pretty nice and well thought-out (not praising the anti-consument measures like soldered RAM). Still, I would personally never buy their devices due to the aforementioned business practices.

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                                        • alaknar@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

                                          What feature? Recall?? That's Windows 11-specific and hasn't even launched yet??

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                                          I love this comment so much

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