Is it me or Ubuntu secretly replaces DEB Firefox with Snap Firefox?

[petter1@lemm.ee]

I think fedora is best for user that want a recent kernel and reasonably fast update cycle (like not a year behind) but are not interested in rolling (for whatever reason ever).

I love rolling and had no issues due to rolling yet

[petter1@lemm.ee]

How did you get snap on mint?! I once tried it as a noob and mint was always “snap bad! Don’t do this! You will regret” even on try to circumvent it

[jubilantjaguar@lemmy.world]

I was waiting for this! Debian is great. I used it for years. But IMO it's not polished enough for normies. The website is fugly and the onboarding funnel assumes too much knowledge. The installer, last time I tried it, was glitchy and unintuitive. I think that techies underestimate how offputting even ostensibly minor issues like this will be to ordinary users. Also, Debian has a ton of unmaintained packages (altho I gather that something is being done about this). Debian is fundamentally amateur in the best and unfortunately worst senses. I think a Linux flagship distro needs to be more pro and systematically thought out. For that, it's always going to help to have a big company or organization behind it.

[accideath@lemmy.world]

That’s why I recommend mint. You have all the benefits of ubuntu but without the corporate stuff. And flatpak instead of snap.

[grumpyduckling@sh.itjust.works]

I swear it was the default already installed. Maybe I'm misremembering.

[that_leaflet@lemmy.world]

Mint never preinstalled the snap. They package their own version of Firefox. I believe they have an agreement with Mozilla.

[morbidcactus@lemmy.ca]

Was a kubuntu person for a long time, I haven't really loved the default Ubuntu DE for a while, but that's personal preferences. At the end of the day, use what you like.

I personally like debian (swapped from Kubuntu over time) but keep mint on my thumb drive for family who needs something on older hardware, especially those used to windows it seems to be an easy jump. I love that there are so many options available to people with various levels of prepackaging and configurations.

[grumpyduckling@sh.itjust.works]

Maybe it was that i had to install the snap version (or maybe flatpak?) and uninstall theirs, which fixed the crashes. I thought it was a hardware issue for awhile because it was so random.

[sourov@lemm.ee]

This explains situation.

[zod000@lemmy.ml]

Definitely not you, they absolutely do this with snaps and have for a while. This was the main reason I stopped using Ubuntu.

[corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca]

From a security standpoint? Not even close. From a software-release validation requirement, not even in the same galaxy. If they look the same, it's only due to Clarke's law.

[corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca]

Debian will have snaps and flatpaks and all the same insecure black-box drek.

[yozul@beehaw.org]

It's not as up to date as other rolling releases, unlike stable it doesn't get security patches right away, it gets frozen for months during the switch from one stable to the next, and in my fairly limited experience it just has more bugs. It's not bad, but it's a testing branch. It's not intended as a daily driver, and it shows.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

In Ubuntu they are the same. firefox version 1:1snap1-0ubuntu5 is a deb that literally runs the command snap install firefox in the preinst script. Check line 77 in firefox-1snap1/debian/firefox.preinst in the source tarball: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/1:1snap1-0ubuntu5

There's no magic there.

[bcsven@lemmy.ca]

There is RedHat and SUSE. Which are also the only two certified distros for running corporate/enterprise CAD/CAM/FEA and PLM software. They both provide rock solid stability.

[technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

I feel like snaps are black boxier tho.

[gpopides@lemmy.world]

Unfortunately it's my only option at work because my employer wants the security of Ubuntu pro

[pebbles@sh.itjust.works]

I'm a bit of an anarchist so I disagree on principal lol, but I do agree that that would help Linux usurp windows.

My fear is that it would just then become windows within a decade or less. Getting big and institutional may work out. I've just seen a lot of cases go sour.

To me the beauty of Linux is that it is less connected to large impersonal capitalistic structures. That's why it feels different from Windows.

[technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

The installer, last time I tried it, was glitchy and unintuitive.

I used it a few months ago and it was pretty smooth.

[irritableocelot@beehaw.org]

That is not the same thing as "snap and apt Firefox are the same". They just hijacked apt to force snap in.