Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery
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It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.
People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.
I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.
What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.
Honesty it might already be too late.
They could try asking for donations, while getting rid of the massive drains on their budget.
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That is disingenuous.
People underestimate the cost of building a fucking browser, it's not the equivalent of maintaining a array sort app on fucking github.
Some random dude promising to "donate from time to time" is not a valid business model.
I wish they'd strip down and just focus on the browser, but fund it HOW? Ads? Subscription?
The reason a lot of companies are doing AI shit is essentially RD shooting in the dark, hoping something will pan out.
You have to do this if you are a tech company and want to survive in the future.
It's fun to meme on ai and but that shit is coming and pretending it doesn't exist or has no value simply isn't true.
So I ask everyone again, what business model exists for a software company to make money without ads or charging a monthly subscription.
Some random dude promising to "donate from time to time" is not a valid business model.
A lot of people donating, while not spending that money on dumb projects, and worse exectutives is a valid business model. Mozilla just doesn't want to do that, because they care more about their executives than they care about Firefox.
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Calling whatever you like "profit" cant really be rebutted, it's subjective semantics.
Yes CEOs are paid lots of money. Why would mozilla choose to over pay staff?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Are you really asking why would the people at the top of an organization choose to overpay themselves?
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a nonprofit owned by a for profit company
It's the other way around, the foundation owns the corporation.
Still feels like the corporation is the one making decisions though.
i think they may be referencing the fact that huge amounts of money have been given to them by google?
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That's basically what librewolf, waterfox, and a whole bunch of others are. In the same way manjaro and endeavor etc. are opinionated arch installs with spackling, those browsers are opinionated settings-already-selected versions of firefox.
Just what I needed, ty
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Do you have to enable the feature first? Because I'm on v141 and I don't see this feature. Complaining about a useless and draining feature that you yourself enabled is a special kind of stupid tbh.
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Why does Mozilla think we want AI integrated in your browsers ??
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It should not be on by default and you should not have to go into about:config to turn it off.
It was not enabled by default for me.
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Isn't the "for-profit" Mozilla Corporation owned by the "non-profit" Mozilla Foundation though?
I don't care. It's a corrosive force that causes them to pay for over priced CEO's and integrate services that nobody cares about into Firefox (like pocket) or that runs against their principles (container VPN's exclusive to Mozillas for-profit VPN).
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All right, but apart from the vertical tabs, better video decoding, support for manifest v2, high quality adblocking, increased performance, and the useful programming language, what has Mozilla ever done for us?
The aqueducts?
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TBH despite I don't like this specific idea, nor use Firefox directly, I do like the usage of local inference vs sending your data to thirdparty to do AI.
They just needed to do it OPT IN, not OPT OUT.
It is though.
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Do you have to enable the feature first? Because I'm on v141 and I don't see this feature. Complaining about a useless and draining feature that you yourself enabled is a special kind of stupid tbh.
Bro, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit, this is definitely worthy of being the most upvoted post on Lemmy rn
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I don't think the centralised approach works either. If you bake that grouping metadata of individual popular pages into Firefox you have an issue with keeping it current if page content changes. And you have a difficult trade-off between covering enough pages vs not blowing up the size too much. And the approach can't work for deep web pages, e.g. anything people can only see when logged in.
Ignoring all that: The groupings you could pre-process would be static and determined over some assumed average user behaviour, not an actual cluster of a specific users themes. You take some hardcore Warhammer 40k fan, and all his tabs on minis and painting techniques and rulebooks and fan media, and apply the static grouping then it all goes into "Warhammer". However if you ran it locally it might come up with "Painting" "Figures" "Rules" "Fanart" or whatever. It would produce a more fine grained clustering for someone who is deep into a specific niche interest, and a more coarse grained one otherwise.
So I think fundamentally it's correct to cluster locally and dynamically for a usable result. They need to make it opt-in, and efficient enough. Or better yet they could just abandon the idea because it's ultimately not that much use compared to the required inference cost.
The problem with useful suggestions like these is that they can't be used when the MO is to shove AI into everything and anything to seem relevant, and chase the pot of cost savings at the end of the rainbow which is totally gonna turn up any day now, we think, we're pretty sure anyway.
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Are you really asking why would the people at the top of an organization choose to overpay themselves?
Sorry boss it's kinda laughable to suggest they choose their own salaries.
Obviously it would be negotiated, with a panel overseeing the procurement and hiring process.
That panel has no interest in overpaying executives. Obviously they would pay just enough to secure someone with the right network and skills. Just because they earn more than you does not mean they're overpaid.
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Bro, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit, this is definitely worthy of being the most upvoted post on Lemmy rn
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because people seem to have a special hate boner for Firefox on here.
And please don't call me bro.
Edit: hate not hat
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Sure, whereupon the CEO alone can receive an 8 figure compensation package. That is not at all an issue to the viability of a non-profit.
It's not as simple as just deciding to hire people at lower rates of pay.
Cost cutting is a tricky game. When an organisation is not on a positive trajectory, cost cutting has a very high risk of re-enforcing the underlying problems.
That's not to say cost cutting isn't a worthy objective, but it needs to be carefully considered.
If you want a CEO with the right skills and connections you need to pay.
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It is though.
then why the fuck is this newsworthy? ugh. Why is there such a huge hateboner for firefox lately?
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I only use Firefox. I've only used Firefox since 2000.
They, by their own statements, are a 501( C )3, which is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit.
Sit down.
You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so.
Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem?
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You seem to be able to google "mozilla non profit" but unable to elucidate whether it is in fact a non-profit and why that is so.
Again, you're offering hand wavy vibe based explanations as to why mozilla is "bad". What exactly is the problem?
I have worked for non-profits.
They are completely allowed to make a profit.
You are mistakenly under the impression that I'm against Mozilla.
If you go back to my original comment, I merely explained what I explained here. Mozilla is a non-profit, not a not-for-profit.
You decided to take that as an attack on Mozilla, for some strange reason, and attacked me. I just turned that same energy back on you.
Did I ever attack Mozilla? Did you attack me?
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then why the fuck is this newsworthy? ugh. Why is there such a huge hateboner for firefox lately?
I really don't get it either.
It's not like it's a paid product either.
