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    cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/28204065

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    Make America great again

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      the enemy is both weak and strong

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      The appropriate sequence of events would be:

      Trump starts tariffs > People switch to FOSS > Trump cuts funding to FOSS

      This really isn't double-speak and, if anything, clearly shows the hostility of the admin. They are just incompetent, short-sighted, and overall an enemy of the people.

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        I did not knew that Tor was getting funded by the american state. Thats giving me some spooky vibes.

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        One theory is that Tor was opened to the public by the United States Naval Research Laboratory only to create a crowd of users for their agents to hide in.

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          .gov is using let's encrypt? That's pathetic.

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          Theyre more likely paying godaddy thousands a year for each cert on domains that go back decades.

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            But i2p doesnt have PoW DDOS protection. Trust me, that shit helps a fuckton for limiting ddos. I witnessed firsthand nine onion services that upgraded from not having DDOS protection to having DDOS protection while under attack and the attack completely stopped.

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            Edit: ...a decentralized Monero exchange

            There's the Monero shilling I expect in every comment

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              As far as Let's Encrypt goes, the easy way to solve that is self-signed SSL certificates and Tofu. Just make it stupid obvious if an SSL certificate changes on a site that you go to. Like, turn your browser into a giant red screen that says that the security of the website has changed and may be broken obvious. Maybe you could have search engines also index SSL certificates so you could see if Google and Bing and DuckDuckGo and whoever else all say that this website has the same SSL certificate that it has had for X amount of time and if the search engines start showing different results you get suspicious

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              Never heard of tofu before (the software). What is it?

              I had heard about DANE and how that would help in scaling back the need for big CAs but I could never grasp how one would do that. Do you know about it? I'm looking for someone to explain it to me.

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                the guy is literally a political front for techbros, it's not like he would do something else.

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                Tech bros are only interested in getting the results from open source. They want the free software from their slaves, they aren't interested in paying anything.

                Tech companies, for a while, added a bit to open source as it was in their own self interest, but they still shut out everything that wasn't them, they still make the internet in the horrible stonewalled garden that it is today. No account? Half the internet isn't accessible to you anymore

                Fuck all the big tech and social media companies

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                  Never heard of tofu before (the software). What is it?

                  I had heard about DANE and how that would help in scaling back the need for big CAs but I could never grasp how one would do that. Do you know about it? I'm looking for someone to explain it to me.

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                  Tofu stands for Trust on First Use. So basically, you would get an SSL certificate from the website the very first time you connected to it, instead of trusting a certificate authority. Then, if the SSL certificate changed, you would then be warned that the certificate had changed and would have to decide whether to trust the new certificate or not trust the new certificate. That's why I said perhaps search engines could index certificates and tell you how long the certificate has been active and you could check several engines quickly to determine whether each engine has the same certificate indexed for the same website and if they did not then you would know something might be up.

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                    Edit: ...a decentralized Monero exchange

                    There's the Monero shilling I expect in every comment

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                    Your welcome

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                      Tofu stands for Trust on First Use. So basically, you would get an SSL certificate from the website the very first time you connected to it, instead of trusting a certificate authority. Then, if the SSL certificate changed, you would then be warned that the certificate had changed and would have to decide whether to trust the new certificate or not trust the new certificate. That's why I said perhaps search engines could index certificates and tell you how long the certificate has been active and you could check several engines quickly to determine whether each engine has the same certificate indexed for the same website and if they did not then you would know something might be up.

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                      Oh, this is certainly complex logic (for the search engine I mean).

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                        Oh, this is certainly complex logic (for the search engine I mean).

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                        Well, it really depends on if you want somebody to trust or not. If you don't want to trust anybody except yourself, then you can just use Tofu and be good with it. The only reason I brought up using search engines as an index is just to give people a place to look.

                        If I want to visit CNBC and I've never visited them before, I could just go straight to CNBC and trust their certificate right away. Or, if I wanted to confirm that the CNBC certificate was likely valid, I could ask DuckDuckGo, Google, and Quant. And if they all agreed that they had the same certificate that I was getting, I'd be more likely to think that it's valid.

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                          Well, it really depends on if you want somebody to trust or not. If you don't want to trust anybody except yourself, then you can just use Tofu and be good with it. The only reason I brought up using search engines as an index is just to give people a place to look.

                          If I want to visit CNBC and I've never visited them before, I could just go straight to CNBC and trust their certificate right away. Or, if I wanted to confirm that the CNBC certificate was likely valid, I could ask DuckDuckGo, Google, and Quant. And if they all agreed that they had the same certificate that I was getting, I'd be more likely to think that it's valid.

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                          This is actually a great idea. Is there an opensource implementation of it?

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                            This is actually a great idea. Is there an opensource implementation of it?

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                            Well, you can just generate your own SSL certificate on your machine, locally. I believe you can probably do it with OpenSSL. I've only done it with my Monero node, and they offer a binary, which will generate a certificate for you. I would just look up how to create a self-signed SSL certificate. My guess is it's just a few commands in the terminal.

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                              Well, you can just generate your own SSL certificate on your machine, locally. I believe you can probably do it with OpenSSL. I've only done it with my Monero node, and they offer a binary, which will generate a certificate for you. I would just look up how to create a self-signed SSL certificate. My guess is it's just a few commands in the terminal.

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                              No, I meant the logic where the browser would prompt the user to review and verify the cert for a particular website without consulting a CA. I run some self-signed certs already but I'd love to implement this in my homelab.

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                                No, I meant the logic where the browser would prompt the user to review and verify the cert for a particular website without consulting a CA. I run some self-signed certs already but I'd love to implement this in my homelab.

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                                Oh, that was an idea for a way to do it. Not anything that's been implemented, or at least not to my knowledge.

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                                  Its possible to add free for all except US govt and that does not stop it from being free for the rest of the world.

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                                  That stops it from being Free, which is freedom 0. From GNU.org:

                                  The four essential freedoms
                                  A program is free software if the program's users have the four essential freedoms:

                                  1. The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
                                  2. The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
                                  3. The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
                                  4. The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.

                                  A program is free software if it gives users adequately all of these freedoms. Otherwise, it is nonfree. While we can distinguish various nonfree distribution schemes in terms of how far they fall short of being free, we consider them all equally unethical.

                                  What you're talking about is changing Free software to be non-Free. No thanks.

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                                    Tofu stands for Trust on First Use. So basically, you would get an SSL certificate from the website the very first time you connected to it, instead of trusting a certificate authority. Then, if the SSL certificate changed, you would then be warned that the certificate had changed and would have to decide whether to trust the new certificate or not trust the new certificate. That's why I said perhaps search engines could index certificates and tell you how long the certificate has been active and you could check several engines quickly to determine whether each engine has the same certificate indexed for the same website and if they did not then you would know something might be up.

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                                    I don't feel like this adequately accounts for stupid people though. The number of times I've seen people freak out over a perfectly legit website because a cert warning popped up or others who have ignored the warning and clicked through to a scam or malware... 🤦‍♀️

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                                      I don't feel like this adequately accounts for stupid people though. The number of times I've seen people freak out over a perfectly legit website because a cert warning popped up or others who have ignored the warning and clicked through to a scam or malware... 🤦‍♀️

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                                      Decentralization comes with some casualties, and stupid people might just be those casualties.

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                                        As far as Let's Encrypt goes, the easy way to solve that is self-signed SSL certificates and Tofu. Just make it stupid obvious if an SSL certificate changes on a site that you go to. Like, turn your browser into a giant red screen that says that the security of the website has changed and may be broken obvious. Maybe you could have search engines also index SSL certificates so you could see if Google and Bing and DuckDuckGo and whoever else all say that this website has the same SSL certificate that it has had for X amount of time and if the search engines start showing different results you get suspicious

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                                        i don't think this is a good idea. govs could just set up a big reverse proxy for lots of sites to serve them with their own certs, and you wouldn't know

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                                          i don't think this is a good idea. govs could just set up a big reverse proxy for lots of sites to serve them with their own certs, and you wouldn't know

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                                          Seems like no change from right now, because currently the certificate authorities are centralized entities, which could be pressured by governments to add their own certificates.

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