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    Fun fact, Spain's unusual schedule is partially due to timezones! The country itself is literally an hour late, and is kinda stuck in either an idyllic summer lifestyle or a vicious labor cycle, depending on how you look at it.

    Glance at a map and you’ll realise that Spain – sitting, as it does, along the same longitude as the UK, Portugal and Morocco – should be in Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). But Spain goes by Central European Time (CET), putting it in sync with the Serbian capital Belgrade, more than 2,500km east of Madrid.

    Being 60 minutes behind the correct time zone means the sun rises later and sets later, bestowing Spain with gloriously long summer evenings and 10pm sunsets.

    But for many Spaniards, living in the wrong time zone has resulted in sleep deprivation and decreased productivity. The typical Spanish work day begins at 9am; after a two-hour lunch break between 2 and 4pm, employees return to work, ending their day around 8pm. The later working hours force Spaniards to save their social lives for the late hours. Prime-time television doesn’t start until 10:30pm.

    Spaniards have traditionally coped with their late nights by taking a mid-morning coffee break and a two-hour lunch break, giving them the opportunity to enjoy one of the country’s most famous traditions: the siesta.

    https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20170504-the-strange-reason-spaniards-eat-late

    Basically, they still take breaks (that have pre-timezone cultural roots) in large part because they start too early and because they work and eat and sleep late... but they work and eat and sleep late because they start too early and take long breaks and the sun sets late... so they get less sleep and need more breaks and naps to get through the long day....

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    Fun fact. It's because of Nazis.

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    • szewek@lemm.eeS [email protected]

      The last point does not hold. Spanish people I know eat dinner at 11 PM and breakfast at 7 AM. And they live outside of Spain, the timezone issue does not apply here. Idk when they sleep (Siesta? Siesta in Sweden/Germany?) Please explain.

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      I'm Spanish, from Spain. We eat dinner at 8-9, maybe 10 if it's out, 11 is way too late to have dinner, people go to sleep before 12. I did the same outside of Spain too because of habits.

      Lunch is at 2pm too.

      Siesta (aka nap, idk why people idolise the word when there's a direct translation) is right after lunch since eating gives sleepiness appparently, but that's not really a thing anymore, we need to work until 5-6pm and there's shit to be done after that.

      Idk about the Spanish people outside of Spain you know, but I'm from Spain, living in Spain. Oh, and most people start working at 8 although I try to find places where it's 9-6 because I stay way too late, but that's a me thing.

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        There's two reasons for those hours.

        1. Timezones, as mentioned by several people here, you can mentally remove 1 hour for it to make more sense, Portugal is right next to us and their times make a little bit more sense. That doesn't justify all the numbers shown though, and that because...
        2. They are fucking made up. Maybe if you didn't go to touristic hubs you would find more normal timetables. Work starts at 8 so breakfast joints open at 7 if early, people eat at 2, they have dinner from 8 to 9, 10 if it's eating out. At 11 people are preparing to go to bed in most of the country.

        We do have family lunches and dinners occasionally, but that's not an everyday thing, not even a weekly thing. Maybe a yearly thing. Sorry for not having huge houses and doing them at restaurants I guess?

        Restaurants stop serving around 4 and start again after 7-8 because they need to clean between the lunch and dinner service. Wild concept I know. Also it's not feasible to keep the kitchen staff there when nobody goes to eat.

        The way you present the country is pretty racist to say the least.

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          Fun fact. It's because of Nazis.

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          National Socialists or just fascists in general?

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            There's two reasons for those hours.

            1. Timezones, as mentioned by several people here, you can mentally remove 1 hour for it to make more sense, Portugal is right next to us and their times make a little bit more sense. That doesn't justify all the numbers shown though, and that because...
            2. They are fucking made up. Maybe if you didn't go to touristic hubs you would find more normal timetables. Work starts at 8 so breakfast joints open at 7 if early, people eat at 2, they have dinner from 8 to 9, 10 if it's eating out. At 11 people are preparing to go to bed in most of the country.

            We do have family lunches and dinners occasionally, but that's not an everyday thing, not even a weekly thing. Maybe a yearly thing. Sorry for not having huge houses and doing them at restaurants I guess?

            Restaurants stop serving around 4 and start again after 7-8 because they need to clean between the lunch and dinner service. Wild concept I know. Also it's not feasible to keep the kitchen staff there when nobody goes to eat.

            The way you present the country is pretty racist to say the least.

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            I was on Tenerife recently. I arrived early in the morning (still night) and searched for a place to have breakfast. Most would open at 7 but I found one that opened at 6. The other customers were people on their way to work and pensioneers or people who just liked to get up early.

            Delicious bocadillos and coffee and freshly pressed orange juice.

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              National Socialists or just fascists in general?

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              Nazis for Spain is bit of a joke. Franco wanted to suck up to Hitler who put Belgium, Netherlands, and France on German time when he conquered them.

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                Nazis for Spain is bit of a joke. Franco wanted to suck up to Hitler who put Belgium, Netherlands, and France on German time when he conquered them.

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                Close enough, then. Not just fascism, Nazis. Even if the Nazis weren't directly in power, it sounds like they are in the causal chain for the timezone being so much different from solar time. Thanks for the clarification / confirmation.

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                • fristislurper@feddit.nlF [email protected]

                  I agree with your timings, but Spain has an obesity rate of over 20%, so I would say seldom is a serious underestimation.

                  Also, Spain is not a mystical domain filled with elves, of course people are lazy, over-eat, and snack in excess. They are human after all.

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                  Also, Spain is not a mystical domain filled with elves

                  Eh, Disneyland, walkable European city -- same difference!

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                    There's two reasons for those hours.

                    1. Timezones, as mentioned by several people here, you can mentally remove 1 hour for it to make more sense, Portugal is right next to us and their times make a little bit more sense. That doesn't justify all the numbers shown though, and that because...
                    2. They are fucking made up. Maybe if you didn't go to touristic hubs you would find more normal timetables. Work starts at 8 so breakfast joints open at 7 if early, people eat at 2, they have dinner from 8 to 9, 10 if it's eating out. At 11 people are preparing to go to bed in most of the country.

                    We do have family lunches and dinners occasionally, but that's not an everyday thing, not even a weekly thing. Maybe a yearly thing. Sorry for not having huge houses and doing them at restaurants I guess?

                    Restaurants stop serving around 4 and start again after 7-8 because they need to clean between the lunch and dinner service. Wild concept I know. Also it's not feasible to keep the kitchen staff there when nobody goes to eat.

                    The way you present the country is pretty racist to say the least.

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                    What does race have to do with anything said? Is Spanish (or Spaniard idk what's correct) a race?

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                      Spaniard here.

                      School starts at 9. Work can vary, but 8-9 is common.
                      Typical breakfast is coffee and a pastry, but some people will have something savory instead. Not the most common, though.

                      Lunch is at 2pm. Restaurants usually take customers from 1 to 3.30 pm. If you have lunch at home, a proper meal is in order, but lately, less and less people can do this. So snacking for lunch during work days is becoming more common, sadly.

                      Dinner is at 9pm but there is a tendency to move this earlier, particularly when eating at home on work days. Restaurants take customers from 8 to 10pm, and a dinner out can last until past midnight.

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                      What's interesting is that Spain's colony Mexico has similar meal times, but the big meal is at about 3pm, and the evening meal is just a snack that many people will skip.

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                        What does race have to do with anything said? Is Spanish (or Spaniard idk what's correct) a race?

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                        It's not only not a race, the whole thing is not even negative. It's a clear example of "everything I personally don't like is racism".

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                          Siestas are the one thing I miss back in the time I worked in a country that observed them. Nothing better than having a cup of coffee after lunch, taking a quick nap after, and waking up just in time for the caffeine to kick in. If I do that at my work now, I’sd probably be fired for sleeping on the job.

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                          Plot twist: they're a bus driver.

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                            One Summer we went to Spain before the DST issue got solved and because after arriving in Madrid it was 43° C we told ourselves "we'll get up earlier and have a stroll around the city at 6am so it's fresh" - it was DARK for hours 😂

                            Me and friends were joking about it was the country for those vampire movies where the night never ends

                            On the other side, those evenings with still a bit of sun at 10pm were awesome

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                              Sounds perfect. A nation free of oppressive morning people.

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                                There's two reasons for those hours.

                                1. Timezones, as mentioned by several people here, you can mentally remove 1 hour for it to make more sense, Portugal is right next to us and their times make a little bit more sense. That doesn't justify all the numbers shown though, and that because...
                                2. They are fucking made up. Maybe if you didn't go to touristic hubs you would find more normal timetables. Work starts at 8 so breakfast joints open at 7 if early, people eat at 2, they have dinner from 8 to 9, 10 if it's eating out. At 11 people are preparing to go to bed in most of the country.

                                We do have family lunches and dinners occasionally, but that's not an everyday thing, not even a weekly thing. Maybe a yearly thing. Sorry for not having huge houses and doing them at restaurants I guess?

                                Restaurants stop serving around 4 and start again after 7-8 because they need to clean between the lunch and dinner service. Wild concept I know. Also it's not feasible to keep the kitchen staff there when nobody goes to eat.

                                The way you present the country is pretty racist to say the least.

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                                The way you present the country is pretty racist to say the least.

                                Dafuq?

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                                  We spent some time in Italy in the summer about fifteen years ago, and you genuinely had to be careful which cities you visited at which times because entire cities would go on vacation at the same time. We went to Bologna at the wrong time apparently because almost everything was closed except for a few things around the train station. While it was kind of nice having the place to ourselves and wandering the parks, it also sucked to have to eat convenience store food. Coming from a place where almost everything is open year round, 24 hours a day, it was wild.

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                                    The way you present the country is pretty racist to say the least.

                                    Dafuq?

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                                    It presents the ever famous image of "lazy Spaniards don't work and have lazy hours.nothing is open ever". That's racist.

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                                      It presents the ever famous image of "lazy Spaniards don't work and have lazy hours.nothing is open ever". That's racist.

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                                      Lmao. You need to learn what racist means.

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                                        The way you present the country is pretty racist to say the least.

                                        Dafuq?

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                                        Iberianophobia?!

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                                          It presents the ever famous image of "lazy Spaniards don't work and have lazy hours.nothing is open ever". That's racist.

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                                          It's definitelly Prejudice, and since it's based on nationality rather than on race, it's not by definition Racism (which is the latter kind).

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