Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

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So you’re painting me with the broadest brush imaginable because you can only think in binary terms.

Because I hold the belief that not voting for Kamala Harris wasn’t the immoral choice, that must mean I’m just like everyone you’re imagining? You don’t know me, A. And B., I never said I did or didn’t vote one way or another.

I’m just so sick of this attitude I see all over lemmy. It’s the opposite of critical thought. It’s shouting “I was right” into a cave because you know you’ll hear your opinion validated and your ego stroked.

I just think if people here cared about the genocide and ending it, your position wouldn’t be so focused on you. It wouldn’t be so focused on the election that’s already over and how right you all were. When news came across your feeds about genocide and suffering, you wouldn’t frame it with your own personal choices.

Because that is essentially throwing your hands up and saying, “well, my plan didn’t work, and it didn’t work because these people.”

You all spend so much time back patting and laying blame at the feet of people who are against the genocide, that you’re driving a wedge into the anti genocide movement. Strictly for your own personal gain.

At that point, you’re not anti-genocide, you’re anti-doing a goddamn thing about it.

That is and has been my only point since I made a comment in this thread. I knew I was going to face a bunch of these types of comments, but I thought I’d be able to get my point across. And my point is that you need to take your heads out of the election and work with, not against, the working class. Because your allegiance to an ownership class representative proving you were right in your support doesn’t mean a goddamn thing when we’re talking about a fucking genocide.

That’s what I’m trying to get you all to see. Because this echo chamber here where the prevailing thought is “undecideds are the enemy!” is so incredibly self-defeating and self-serving. Self-defeating if the end to the genocide is really what you want, and self-serving because it puts you on a high horse while shedding any and all responsibility.

Changing that outlook is my entire point in this viper pit.

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It's a thread hand-wringing and vote shaming. Trump is a disgusting fascist. I'm angry there isn't opposition to him. I'm angry about how close democrats are to republicans.

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At that point, you’re not anti-genocide, you’re anti-doing a goddamn thing about it.

I didn't visit any politician's offices in the last two weeks since I'm new in the country we just fled to, but I still made sure to dedicate three hours last week to both emails and phone calls to various politicians. So I guess you're right. I am anti-doing a goddamn thing about it.

What would you suggest I do?

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This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won't be for a while at best.
This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.

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As I said, I haven't seen an ounce of compassion from you for all the brown and queer people facing a genocide in the U.S. right now.

You couldn't even sum up a "I feel bad for them" after I pointed that out, so I guess that shows what and who you think should be ignored.

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Hold your tongue? This is a comment section. Say it.

I’m trying to have a nuanced discussion here. Because I think it’s important. If you think throwing insults or something (why else would you need to “hold your tongue?”) is your response, then do it.

I joined this discussion to make my point because I think we’re all (supposedly) on the same side. And I think there is good to be found in a discussion between people on the same side not seeing eye to eye at the moment. I think that driving a wedge in the anti genocide side of the fence (because this is either a pro-genocide or anti-genocide discussion…right?) is wrong. And I want people to stop doing it. And I think the reason they’re doing it is a very self-serving reason.

That’s not an attack of you all. It’s…an opinion. And, like I said, this is a comment section.

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So since the both sides made it inevitable you really just want it over with faster then, by helping to choose the person who will make sure it's accomplished faster and with less compassion? You went with the one more likely to start doing the same thing on US soil? This is the choice you endorse?

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Well, since this discussion is about solidarity in the anti-genocide movement, as I’ve said many times, I would suggest everyone (and, excuse me if I mislabeled you as being against my initial point, but I’m having a discussion with a bunch of people) that you all stop trying to scapegoat other people who don’t want to see a genocide happen. Do all you want personally, that’s all great. But my entire point was that you all say, “I’m the real anti-genocider! And all these people are wrong!” No matter that they want what you supposedly want.

Stop driving a wedge in the movement by high roading people who want the same thing you do. There’s a huge rash of this behavior, and that’s what I’m trying to call out. You can do all the good you want, but if you then go into the community to salt the earth behind you for all those who want what you do, you’re negating any good you’ve done.

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But my entire point was that you all say, “I’m the real anti-genocider! And all these people are wrong!” No matter that they want what you supposedly want.

I said no such thing, nor did I even imply such a thing.

If you want to tell people to stop things, tell yourself stop including me in the things you're saying about other people.

I do a shitload to try to stop this genocide with what is in my extremely limited power and I have never even implied either of the things you have put in quotes.

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If you cared about queers and minorities, you would be demanding the opposition take popular positions in order to win, right?

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I have literally had to flee the country with my gay daughter because of people like you, so don't give me any of that shit about me not caring when you still haven't been able to say anything about their suffering.

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It's right to be angry. I don't have an answer. I think few people realize that most genocides are actually successful and forgotten.

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The mods on Lemmy are not good. They help incite shouting matches at different communities for fun including ones that have the developers for Lemmy itself, let basic bait for profiling others exist because they proclaim to let the other side speak up if they wanted to after bashing them down.
They will turn around and unironically claim to be just janitors with no power while ignoring the very position of mod gives them a lead role in how discussions are held.

Lemmy is just 4chan for neo liberals and the mods act like it.

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FlyingSquid will never be wrong and if you keep going they turn to emotional manipulation and abuse with threatening suicide and making horrible statements about their life in order to drag you to sympathize for them after they have been rude and unsympathetic to you.

I don't think they are a bot but I think they are one of the worst people to discuss with on the platform for their own personal reasons.

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Everything was at stake, so Democrats brought out Dick Cheney, Mark Cuban & continued spewed anti-Palestinian messaging to help Trump win. Got it.

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Truly Democrats failed yet again, but here you are blaming Muslims.

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What did Palestine expect the outcome of Oct 7th to be? What was that intended to accomplish, vs what actually happened?

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I agree. But you'll get attacked for saying things like that. Look at all the downvotes from people that are pro-genocide.

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Netanyahu was smirking the whole time. No one is going to stop him.

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No, Trump said we'll send Americans to find the unexploded bombs & die on behalf of Israel, pay to rebuild Gaza on behalf of Israel & then let Israelis live there and we get to pay for it.

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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza