Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

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Hold your tongue? This is a comment section. Say it.

I’m trying to have a nuanced discussion here. Because I think it’s important. If you think throwing insults or something (why else would you need to “hold your tongue?”) is your response, then do it.

I joined this discussion to make my point because I think we’re all (supposedly) on the same side. And I think there is good to be found in a discussion between people on the same side not seeing eye to eye at the moment. I think that driving a wedge in the anti genocide side of the fence (because this is either a pro-genocide or anti-genocide discussion…right?) is wrong. And I want people to stop doing it. And I think the reason they’re doing it is a very self-serving reason.

That’s not an attack of you all. It’s…an opinion. And, like I said, this is a comment section.

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So since the both sides made it inevitable you really just want it over with faster then, by helping to choose the person who will make sure it's accomplished faster and with less compassion? You went with the one more likely to start doing the same thing on US soil? This is the choice you endorse?

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Well, since this discussion is about solidarity in the anti-genocide movement, as I’ve said many times, I would suggest everyone (and, excuse me if I mislabeled you as being against my initial point, but I’m having a discussion with a bunch of people) that you all stop trying to scapegoat other people who don’t want to see a genocide happen. Do all you want personally, that’s all great. But my entire point was that you all say, “I’m the real anti-genocider! And all these people are wrong!” No matter that they want what you supposedly want.

Stop driving a wedge in the movement by high roading people who want the same thing you do. There’s a huge rash of this behavior, and that’s what I’m trying to call out. You can do all the good you want, but if you then go into the community to salt the earth behind you for all those who want what you do, you’re negating any good you’ve done.

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But my entire point was that you all say, “I’m the real anti-genocider! And all these people are wrong!” No matter that they want what you supposedly want.

I said no such thing, nor did I even imply such a thing.

If you want to tell people to stop things, tell yourself stop including me in the things you're saying about other people.

I do a shitload to try to stop this genocide with what is in my extremely limited power and I have never even implied either of the things you have put in quotes.

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If you cared about queers and minorities, you would be demanding the opposition take popular positions in order to win, right?

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I have literally had to flee the country with my gay daughter because of people like you, so don't give me any of that shit about me not caring when you still haven't been able to say anything about their suffering.

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It's right to be angry. I don't have an answer. I think few people realize that most genocides are actually successful and forgotten.

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The mods on Lemmy are not good. They help incite shouting matches at different communities for fun including ones that have the developers for Lemmy itself, let basic bait for profiling others exist because they proclaim to let the other side speak up if they wanted to after bashing them down.
They will turn around and unironically claim to be just janitors with no power while ignoring the very position of mod gives them a lead role in how discussions are held.

Lemmy is just 4chan for neo liberals and the mods act like it.

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FlyingSquid will never be wrong and if you keep going they turn to emotional manipulation and abuse with threatening suicide and making horrible statements about their life in order to drag you to sympathize for them after they have been rude and unsympathetic to you.

I don't think they are a bot but I think they are one of the worst people to discuss with on the platform for their own personal reasons.

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Everything was at stake, so Democrats brought out Dick Cheney, Mark Cuban & continued spewed anti-Palestinian messaging to help Trump win. Got it.

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Truly Democrats failed yet again, but here you are blaming Muslims.

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What did Palestine expect the outcome of Oct 7th to be? What was that intended to accomplish, vs what actually happened?

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I agree. But you'll get attacked for saying things like that. Look at all the downvotes from people that are pro-genocide.

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Netanyahu was smirking the whole time. No one is going to stop him.

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No, Trump said we'll send Americans to find the unexploded bombs & die on behalf of Israel, pay to rebuild Gaza on behalf of Israel & then let Israelis live there and we get to pay for it.

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Yeah, I've blocked them. I can tell, at minimally, they were not interested in any good faith discussion.

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As long as trump gets a new golf course and hotel, I don't think he really cares.

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Yeah I try not to block since it lets people still comment on your stuff unheeded and without response but it is far better for mental health to just block and not deal with it. They do not handle conversation well and a lot of the louder Lemmings view conversations as a winner takes all brawl for superiority through mob support of upvotes.

Just so you know FlyingSquid is also one of the largest posters on lemmy.world and you may see less if you stick to .world communities.

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Rewrite your comment except make it about "the Jews" re: the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. How does it sound when you frame it that way?

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And who decided to deliver all the weapons to Israel between Oct. 2023 and Jan. 2025?

Biden sent over 17,000,000,000 $ worth of bombs to Israel. And that is just the material, not counting the US running surveillance and target acquisitions, the diplomatic cover etc.

If that is not enough to convince you that Biden wanted this genocide as much as Trump, then how much more would the US have had to send under Biden? Would you have changed your mind at 20,000,000,000 ? 50,000,000,000 ?

During Bidens presidency Israel murdered at least 50,000 Palestinians in Gaza, more realistically a 100,000-300,000 that cannot be accounted for anymore because Israel annihilated the health system in Gaza.

If that does not convince you, how many more Palestinians would have had to be murdered under Biden, for you to consider that Biden wanted this genocide as much as Trump?

90% of buildings in Gaza are destroyed or seriously damaged. All hospitals are either destroyed or seriously damaged. The entire water and waste-water infrastructure got systematically destroyed, most schools got destroyed, all universities got destroyed. Again all of this happened during Bidens presidency, with the full support from the US.

If that does not convince you, how much more of Gaza would have needed to be destroyed, for you to consider that Biden wanted to destroy Gaza? 110% 140%?
There is only 100% that can be destroyed and Israel already managed to destroy more than 90% of all civilian infrastructure, during Bidens term.

Trump is picking off where Biden left things. But the idea that Biden somehow didnt create what Trump is working off now, cannot be based on what actually happened since October 2023 with the full support of Bidens administration.

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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza