Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

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So you made a stupid statement, and when I call you out you shuffle the goalposts around. Yes, this is why you outside your circle you're just an angry buzzing noise.

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provide any real proof of this

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-avoided-bidens-red-line-ad715144

For obvious reasons, I don’t have transcripts of secret diplomatic meetings.

saying the “red line” had not been crossed, despite Rafah having been completely destroyed

Yes, because the civilians had more time to leave because of US pressure.

would have ended the genocide

The ICJ ordered Israel to take measures that ensure there won’t be a genocide.

It’s a brutal war in in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched enemy hiding behind civilians.

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I’m sorry to disappoint you but we are unhappy with both parties. Biden is an absolute devil for allowing this genocide to unfold and providing both weapons and rhetorical and political support. Trump is an absolute devil too, the difference is that he’s absolutely unhinged and says the quiet part out loud.

I feel sorry for the domestical issues this is causing you now and the general chaos this guy creates but for us Palestinians Democrats and Republicans aren’t much different in their support for Zionism.

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we should vote dnc even when they are trash enough is defending them. trump became president because first time because of them not despite of them. he also became president second time because of dnc fossils and stupid biden doing nothing to control inflation or israel. he gave doj to republicans so that trump will be free to run against them in elections.
these scammers are happy today because they have succeeded in lowering the bar further for how trash they can be next time.

the best thing trump can do to prevent someone like him becoming president again is to hang entire dnc leadership and its smug consultants who pocket millions every election from our donations to only loose to a orange buffoon. once trash is wiped away leaders like aoc and warren will be actually able to build a real opposition.

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For obvious reasons, I don’t have transcripts of secret diplomatic meetings.

OK, so in other words, no proof except the say-so of the involved parties. Which demonstrably was not enough to stop Rafah from being flattened.

Yes, because the civilians had more time to leave because of US pressure.

Also known as "ethnic cleansing". You're aware the civilians did not want to leave?

The ICJ ordered Israel to take measures that ensure there won’t be a genocide.

And they didn't. They didn't even hand in the mandated report after... 1 month? That was a year ago now.

It’s a brutal war in in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched enemy hiding behind civilians.

"Human shields" argument also completely unsubstantiated, and visibly used as an excuse to demolish all civilian infrastructure.

We really arguing the Zionist talking points now? This how far this site has sunk?

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No, he plans to send a unilateral conquering and occupation force.

There is a difference.

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Oh, you mean the other plutocratic candidate wellbeing on letting christofascism even take root?

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That single issue is genocide you nazi fuck.

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Well thanks man. I’m not gonna stop trying. Don’t give up hope.

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Luigi mangione was having dinner with me when it happened.

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I asked what they thought the outcome of Oct 7th was going to be, and you said 'but what if it was like the Warsaw Uprising? would you still say that?' And the answer is no, because the situations are not similar. You tried to rationalize Gaza as a ghetto being invaded by the SS and that's why they had to attack civilians and take civilian hostages on Oct 7th. I tried to explain that I reject you rationalization, but I see we're straying very far away from 'isreal bad' so I am not surprised you're losing track of the conversation

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Also known as “ethnic cleansing”.

Evacuation of civilians from warzones is not only legal under international humanitarian law, it’s required.

“Human shields” argument also completely unsubstantiated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_human_shields_by_Hamas#2023_Israel–Hamas_war

hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed

Hamas run health minister claims 62,000 dead and missing. Where are you getting these ridiculous numbers?

Gaza Strip has been completely flattened

Estimates are 59.8% of buildings in the Gaza Strip had been damaged or destroyed.

Destroyed buildings are not a genocide.

What he’s posting is literal genocidal incitement

You have completely lost the plot.

I never advocated for Palestinians to be killed.

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The point of the original comparison was to draw attention to how you're equating the militant groups involved with Oct. 7 (Hamas, PIJ) with the ENTIRE Palestinian people, which includes not only people under Hamas rule, in the West Bank, and in the international Palestinian diaspora. Was that not clear? The genocidal demonization of an ETHNIC GROUP based on cherry-picked incidents was the problematic thinking I was drawing attention to.

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Not murdering them all isn't a concession. They can't go live in Egypt. Egypt has 3x the population density of the US now they won't accept gazans

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You are commenting on an article specifically about Trump

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Rewrite your comment except make it about “the Jews” re: the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. How does it sound when you frame it that way?

The point of the original comparison was to draw attention to how you’re equating the militant groups involved with Oct. 7 (Hamas, PIJ) with the ENTIRE Palestinian people, which includes not only people under Hamas rule, in the West Bank, and in the international Palestinian diaspora. Was that not clear?

Yes, this is not clear. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is an invalid comparison to Oct 7th, and your further attempts to compare the two fall flat and in fact manage to further vilify Hamas and Gaza who have been attempting to ignite this very war for the majority of my adult life by shooting an unending barrage of rockets and mortars at civilian targets while using their countrymen as willing human shields

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You are assuming supporting Gaza would have helped in some way. In reality Americans see the gazans as a bunch of terrorist squatters and any greater support of them would have clinched the rust belt harder and only won more support on net where it wasn't useful.

It would have been fantastic if team blue could have pissed off millions of white people to gain thousands of Muslims in Michigan for instance netting a bigger loss.

The problem is actually that Americans are stupid trash who have rotted what brain they had on TV and social media

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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza