Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza
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Ah, there is a misunderstanding here.
I'm not a fan of Biden. I didn't even vote for him in the last election. I'd much rather be angry about the amount of weapons we are still supplying to Israel, than be on here skewering the morons who threw out the baby with the bathwater and skull fucked the country for the foreseeable future. I'm gonna do this every fucking time trump does something shitty to Palestine, because 4 fucking years is damn long time for the protest voter's and abstainer's goldfish mental faculties to remember what their little stunt cost everyone.
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No I'm saying you made the claim that they disappeared because they're bots. I'm saying that you're the one who should give proof in this case
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All the "Genocide Joe" complainers are nowhere to be found. Funny how that works.
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You are right
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I don't think you can blame the Dems for a majority of Americans voting for a man his own current VP once called "America's Hitler". We are here entirely because the majority of Americans wanted this.
In case you aren't aware our presidential elections aren't decided by popular vote but but electoral vote for each state apportioned sort of but not evenly according to population of state. If you get 50% + 1 vote in a given state you get all of that state's vote. You could in theory win as a red candidate with 40% of the popular vote. The majority of electoral votes are a foregone conclusion and even almost 40% of the vote in competitive states.
You could run your neighbors dog's ass as team red and win all of the vote in red states and 40% of the vote in purple states.
The entire direction of our country is determined by how as little as 2% of the county votes in 6 states. This privileges the conservatives control the country better than half the time despite only winning the popular vote twice in the last 32 years. Based on our constitution we can't change it without either their assent or a civil war and breakdown of all order.
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You should make this comment in a thread about Israel and Palestine vs in an article about Trump. It's not making it about Trump to discuss Trump in an article about Trump.
That said its not our fault Israel is a clusterfuck. It's a clusterfuck because of Palestinians and Israelis. Furthermore before it was Israel it was a British territory. The US is to schizophrenic and too morally weak to rely on to save anything. Save yourself or drown.
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I mean I never used the term "Genocide Joe" it seemed a little silly, but I was and am a person who said that in good contious I could not suport Biden, or Harris who said the only difrence we would see is a republican in her cabinet. No where in here am I saying this is anything less than the same level of genocide... nor am I saying that this is not more blatent, but the reality is that it is not significantly worse than the previous, that was just constantly being bombed, and that was being enabled by Biden
Maybe just maybe they stopped complaining because there reason to complain is no longer there, and they are complaining with you that Trump is aiding in a genocide.
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lets not confuse not voting for, and voting aganst
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your dogmatism did nothing to stop genocide either. we are both in hell.
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They don't, actually. They are practically masturbating to the idea of Palestinian genocide.
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Unless you're being foolish, by election day they are the same thing.
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That was the problem though wasn't it? Right after the Economy was Gaza and the Dems were the guy on the right. It was only ever the leadership on the left.
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agian they are deffinitionaly not, witholding support, and activly giving it to someone else are not the same
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Tell yourself that all you want. Unless you change from first past the post voting, it is the same.
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I think the vast majority of Democrats in House and Senate will bend the knee or just stay silent before facing persecution.
Since Trump's inauguration, the Democrats have been ineffective so far, but they haven't been silent. We'll find out soon.
And everybody voting the furthest left viable is a flimsy strategy for fighting fascism.
It was the only useful, viable strategy we had.
Many people already do that all the time, but you can’t make sure that everybody does.
We can count on people to act in their own self-interest. People can organize online to spread true information. The issue was that people fell for propaganda that convinced them to act against their own interests without them realizing it.
Also, with this there never was a chance to move the party any further left. Every election there was this myth that you have to vote moderate to change the party, but it never happened. Why should it? Moderates can say that the voters have shown they want moderate positions when they win. And when they lose for some reason they go, “Well, if you need them the most the progressives will stab you in the back. Let’s cut them out”. This is what I mean there are no consequences for Democrats, at least for the leadership that’s moderate and neoliberal. They will never move.
My argument is that voting for neoliberal Democrats will only incrementally shift the party to the left. In order to make the Democrats meaningfully change from a leaning right of center organization to at least a leaning left of center organization they must be co-opted by a progressive or socialist candidate with a populist narrative. This populist narrative would ideally be a progressive and socialist agenda. Like Bernie tried to do twice. In order for someone like Bernie to do this we needed more time before a fascist takeover.
We know this strategy can work because Trump did it to the Republican party. He used a populist narrative of white christian nationalism. However, we are now out of time and relying on the idea that fascist incompetence will give us another chance.
There is no fulcrum on the political spectrum that can force Democrats to change. And if what your argument wants is a reason for Democrats to change that is not consequences but incentives. To be clear, in a democracy the only consequence for losing elections is to lose out on political power. There is no mechanism besides voting to make Democrats agree with one group of constituents. Democrats look at who voted and then chase those votes.
As long as money is in politics the incentives will always be for the Democrats to incrementally change at best. At a pace that is far to slow to fix wealth inequality or climate change. Political power has to be seized when it is up for grabs during primaries in order to see more systemic change. But in order to do that there needed to be future elections which is no longer guaranteed.
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