OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole From Us

[forgottenflux@lemmy.world]

The narrative that OpenAI, Microsoft, and freshly minted White House “AI czar” David Sacks are now pushing to explain why DeepSeek was able to create a large language model that outpaces OpenAI’s while spending orders of magnitude less money and using older chips is that DeepSeek used OpenAI’s data unfairly and without compensation. Sound familiar?

Both Bloomberg and the Financial Times are reporting that Microsoft and OpenAI have been probing whether DeepSeek improperly trained the R1 model that is taking the AI world by storm on the outputs of OpenAI models.

It is, as many have already pointed out, incredibly ironic that OpenAI, a company that has been obtaining large amounts of data from all of humankind largely in an “unauthorized manner,” and, in some cases, in violation of the terms of service of those from whom they have been taking from, is now complaining about the very practices by which it has built its company.

OpenAI is currently being sued by the New York Times for training on its articles, and its argument is that this is perfectly fine under copyright law fair use protections.

“Training AI models using publicly available internet materials is fair use, as supported by long-standing and widely accepted precedents. We view this principle as fair to creators, necessary for innovators, and critical for US competitiveness,” OpenAI wrote in a blog post. In its motion to dismiss in court, OpenAI wrote “it has long been clear that the non-consumptive use of copyrighted material (like large language model training) is protected by fair use.”

OpenAI argues that it is legal for the company to train on whatever it wants for whatever reason it wants, then it stands to reason that it doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on when competitors use common strategies used in the world of machine learning to make their own models.

[nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl]

It is effing hilarious. First, OpenAI & friends steal creative works to “train” their LLMs. Then they are insanely hyped for what amounts to glorified statistics, get “valued” at insane amounts while burning money faster than a Californian forest fire. Then, a competitor appears that has the same evil energy but slightly better statistics.. bam. A trillion of “value” just evaporates as if it never existed.
And then suddenly people are complaining that DeepSuck is “not privacy friendly” and stealing from OpenAI. Hahaha. Fuck this timeline.

[neonachtwaechter@lemmy.world]

explain why DeepSeek was able to create

Surely they also received tons of plutonium donations from Iran!

/s

[dogslayeggs@lemmy.world]

Regardless of how OpenAI procured their data, I'm absolutely shocked that a company from China would obtain data unauthorized from a company in another country.

[sanctus@lemmy.world]

It never did exist. This is the problem with the stock market.

[owenfromcanada@lemmy.world]

[boredtortoise@lemm.ee]

Capitalism basics, competition of exploitation

[sinningstromgald@lemmy.world]

Fuck you! Pay me for my data asshole!

[mysticketchup@lemmy.world]

I feel like I didn't appreciate this movie enough when I first watched it but it only gets better as I get older

[asafum@feddit.nl]

You can also just run deepseek locally if you are really concerned about privacy. I did it on my 4079ti with the 14b distillation last night. There's a reddit thread floating around that described how to do with with ollama and a chatbot program.

[bertramditore@lemm.ee]

Corporate media take note. This is how you do reality-based reporting. None of the both-sides bullshit trying to justify or make excuses, just laughing in the face of absurd hypocrisy. This is a well-respected journalist confronting a truth we can all plainly see. See? The truth doesn’t need to be boring or bland or “balanced” by disingenuous attempts to see the other side.

I will explain what this means in a moment, but first: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha. It is, as many have already pointed out, incredibly ironic that OpenAI, a company that has been obtaining large amounts of data from all of humankind largely in an “unauthorized manner,” and, in some cases, in violation of the terms of service of those from whom they have been taking from, is now complaining about the very practices by which it has built its company.

[ddplf@szmer.info]

And how does that help with the privacy?

[ourkaos@lemmy.today]

"Now" is always a good time to rewatch it & get more out of it!

[sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world]

[asafum@feddit.nl]

If you're running it on your own system it isn't connected to their server or sharing any data. You download the model and run it on your own hardware.

From the thread I was reading people tracked packets outgoing and it seemed to just be coming from the chatbot program as analytics, not anything going to deepseek.

[just_another_person@lemmy.world]

[teft@lemmy.world]

I hear tulip bulbs are a good investment...

[just_another_person@lemmy.world]

It's a true comedy that still holds up. I honestly thought for years that Mel Brooks had something to do with it, but he didn't. It's so well crafted that there are many layers to it that you can't even grasp when watching as a child. Seeing it as an adult just open your eyes to how amazingly well done it was.

I could do without the whole Billy Crystalizing of large portions of it though.

[humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee]

Thank you China.
No for real - it's either EU or frigging china that helps us with these oligarch overlords

[chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de]