OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole From Us

[sanctus@lemmy.world]

Because you could charge more for "AiPUs" than you already are for GPUs since capitalists have brain rot. Maybe we just need to invest in that open source GPU project if its still around.

[marcyiu@lemmy.sdf.org]

the Chinese realised OpenAI forgot to open source their model and methodology so they just open sourced it for them

[fushuan@lemm.ee]

They replaced it with a lower level nvidia exclusive proprietary API though.

People are really misunderstanding what has happened.

[fushuan@lemm.ee]

Not cuda, but a lower level nvidia proprietary API, your point still stands though.

[fushuan@lemm.ee]

It's just... So deserved, you know? Sometimes you can't but laugh in the face of such karma and fucking irony.

[mangoholic@lemmy.ml]

Yes get f*ed you creedy bastards.

[tabular@lemmy.world]

That's a damn shame.

[billiam0202@lemmy.world]

That's what I said.

If a GPU and a hypothetical AiPU are the same tech, but nVidia could charge more for the AiPU, then why would they make and sell GPUs?

It's the same reason why they don't clamp down on their pricing now: they don't care if you are able to buy a GPU, they care that Twitter or Tesla or OpenAI are buying them 10k at a time.

[sanctus@lemmy.world]

Yeah and then in this "free market" system someone can come make cheaper GPUs marketed at gamers and there ya go. We live again.

[billiam0202@lemmy.world]

Except "free market" ideals break down when there are high barriers to entry, like... chip fabrication.

Also, that's already what's happening? If you don't want to pay for nVidia, you can get AMD or Intel ARC for cheaper. So again, there's literally no reason for nVidia to change what they're doing.

[sanctus@lemmy.world]

I know you're right. But I'm just making pro consumer suggestions, like anybody but us scrubs at the bottom gives a fuck about those. Moving the marketing to a different component would lower the perceived and real value of GPUs for us lowly consumers to once again partake. But its not like it matters because we're at some strange moment in time where the VRAM on cards isn't matching what the games say they need.

[atrielienz@lemmy.world]

They also already rolled back Biden admin's order for AI protections. So they don't even have the benefit of those. There's supposedly a Trump admin AI order now in place but it doesn't have the same scope at all. So Altman and pals may just be SOL. There's no regulatory body to tell except the courts and China literally doesn't care about those.

[atrielienz@lemmy.world]

I didn't realize it was a book. Guess I'll be searching that out.

[awesomelowlander@sh.itjust.works]

There's plenty of honor in Deepseek releasing open source.

[awesomelowlander@sh.itjust.works]

I'm still not seeing the bad part.

[fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

... assuming deepseek is telling the truth, something they have plenty of incentives to lie about

[rooty@lemmy.world]

I love how die hard free market defenders turn into fuming protectionists the second their hegemony is threatened.

[mechoman444@lemmy.world]

I can't believe we're still on this nonsense about AI stealing data for training.

I've had this argument so many times before y'all need to figure out which data you want free and which data do you want to pay for because you can't have it both ways.

Either the data is free or it's paid for. For everyone including individuals and corporations.

You can't have data be free for some people and be paid for for others it doesn't work that way we don't have the infrastructure to support this kind of thing.

For example Wikipedia can't make its data available for AI training for a price and free for everyone else. You can just go to wikipedia.com and read all the data that you want. It's available for free there's no paywall there's no subscriptions no account to make no password to put in no username to think of.

Either all data is free or it's all paid for.

[lengawaits@lemmy.world]

I tend to think that information should be free, generally, so I would be fine with "OpenAI the non-profit" taking copyrighted data under fair-use, but I don't extend that thinking to "OpenAI the for-profit company".

[fallowseed@lemmy.world]

everyone concerned about their privacy going to china-- look at how easy it is to get it from the hands of our overlord spymasters who've already snatched it from us.