Major anti-Trump "Hands Off" protests erupt across Europe
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I am starting to believe that this interest in the US is against Europe's interest.
We should of course adapt and behave like adults in the face of childish claims, but asking for the US to get better is not strategically sound for us as an economic block. -
It’s Americans protesting abroad, if I understand correctly. ‘We’re all living in America’ syndrome is real, but I don’t think this is an example of that.
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I am starting to believe that this interest in the US is against Europe's interest.
We should of course adapt and behave like adults in the face of childish claims, but asking for the US to get better is not strategically sound for us as an economic block.Why on earth would we not want USA to be better, especially because historically they align with us greatly?
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This article is about the protesters in Europe, I think that's what the numbers you mention refer to. I checked the article, it says the following:
A "Hands Off!" spokesperson told Newsweek that the coalition anticipates upwards of 1 million people to partake in events across the world.
what i was referring to was the absolute underreporting of numbers.... regardless It's appreciated to see everyone to start standing up... especially the US which has grown fat and comfy. The curtain is finally being drawn back.
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Well 'massive'...
"Thousands of demonstrators are taking part in global "Hands Off!" protests ..., with hundreds rallying in "about a dozen" cities across Europe, a spokesperson for the mobilizing coalition told Newsweek on Saturday."
I mean good for them but I've seen protests much bigger than a few thousand people spread over a dozen cities.
How many americans do you think would protest if the president of portugal were a pedophile criminal cunt? How many would know it's a real place?
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meanwhile here in finland people dont give a shit about anything.. I have seen more teslas than usual, though maybe i'm just paying attention to them now more. Still very small portion of cars in total. Havent seen or heard anyone doing anything even resembling a protest.
im tired of living in a country that doesn't give a shit about anything. it's a real fucking drag after a while
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How many americans do you think would protest if the president of portugal were a pedophile criminal cunt? How many would know it's a real place?
How many would know it’s a real place?
A lot of Trump supports certainly have never seen or been in a cunt.
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Why on earth would we not want USA to be better, especially because historically they align with us greatly?
I agree that Europe needs a wake up call, but USA and Europe not aligning would be terrible for both.We align with them greatly, but not really the other way around.
We are dependent militarily and industrially for no good reason other than a sentiment of servitude, inferiority and vetos directly from the US within NATO and in the EU through the UK.
Other than that it could be easily argued that culturally we have also lost a lot of ground since WWII.
Winning back independence and leadership in any of these domains is in Europe's interest and I believe common interests could be found for example in Canada.
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im tired of living in a country that doesn't give a shit about anything. it's a real fucking drag after a while
Yep, though here its a bit complicated too. Finland is quite peaceful, at least in my city, dont have too much experience about bigger cities beyond small visits. But the peace feels a little stifling. I constantly feel like I shouldnt or aren't allowed to do anything out of the ordinary because no one wouldnt get the point anyway or wouldnt care. I dont know how realistic that feeling is, but i cant really ask about it either because how would you even do that in coherent way? Maybe in the capital there are more people who care about something, but my impression is they focus on wrong things or go about it in ineffectual ways.
Still I dont want to leave, I dont think any other country would fit me anyway and I couldnt take with me anything I care about.
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There have been 1,200 anti-Trump rallies across the US this weekend, and there is even a Lemmy instance dedicated to this just in case you missed it: https://50501.chat/
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We align with them greatly, but not really the other way around.
We are dependent militarily and industrially for no good reason other than a sentiment of servitude, inferiority and vetos directly from the US within NATO and in the EU through the UK.
Other than that it could be easily argued that culturally we have also lost a lot of ground since WWII.
Winning back independence and leadership in any of these domains is in Europe's interest and I believe common interests could be found for example in Canada.
Of course there should be no inferiority and overreliance on them, it doesn't mean that they are inherently bad for us. Europe needs partners that align with them.
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Of course there should be no inferiority and overreliance on them, it doesn't mean that they are inherently bad for us. Europe needs partners that align with them.
These are far right talking points.There is a whole Rest of the World out there, even if you take out Russia and China.
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There is a whole Rest of the World out there, even if you take out Russia and China.
And how helpful has this rest of the world been to europe this far, for example in relation to helping Ukraine? You know, in things that really matter?
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And how helpful has this rest of the world been to europe this far, for example in relation to helping Ukraine? You know, in things that really matter?
And I should keep trying with a bunch of idiots threatening me and overtly allied with the power attacking Ukraine, only because I never did a good job as a potential superpower to coordinate myself and others?
That is really weak as an argument.
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And I should keep trying with a bunch of idiots threatening me and overtly allied with the power attacking Ukraine, only because I never did a good job as a potential superpower to coordinate myself and others?
That is really weak as an argument.
Where did I suggest you should try anything? It seems like you are changing the topic. Let's try to keep on track, please.
I'm saying Europe is better off with USA as a reliable ally rather than an unreliable enemy.Also I don't know why you suddenly talk about yourself like you are THE Europe lol.
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Where did I suggest you should try anything? It seems like you are changing the topic. Let's try to keep on track, please.
I'm saying Europe is better off with USA as a reliable ally rather than an unreliable enemy.Also I don't know why you suddenly talk about yourself like you are THE Europe lol.
There are (commercial, trade, military, political) RELATIONSHIPS we are talking about.
There is no switch to have them accepted or not, there is a continuous effort from both parties.
And like any effort, it implies a cost. We have been in a toxic relationship with the USA for decades.There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
In the meanwhile, having them showing their true face allows us to be lucid about the current state of affairs and redirecting our efforts elsewhere.
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There are (commercial, trade, military, political) RELATIONSHIPS we are talking about.
There is no switch to have them accepted or not, there is a continuous effort from both parties.
And like any effort, it implies a cost. We have been in a toxic relationship with the USA for decades.There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
In the meanwhile, having them showing their true face allows us to be lucid about the current state of affairs and redirecting our efforts elsewhere.
There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
So you agree. What are we even talking about then?
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There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
So you agree. What are we even talking about then?
Read the last lines of my comment.
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Read the last lines of my comment.
I did. My point is that europe would be better off with USA as a reliable partner rather than whatever it currently is.
Nowhere have I said that it means we need to somehow make it work with the current USA administration or that nothing has to change whatsoever.
But in principle, it would be much better to have USA as a partner rather than as an enemy. I'm not even saying it is realistic right now, I am saying, in general, it would be better.
And from that one sentence alone what you said, i'm pretty sure you agree.
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I did. My point is that europe would be better off with USA as a reliable partner rather than whatever it currently is.
Nowhere have I said that it means we need to somehow make it work with the current USA administration or that nothing has to change whatsoever.
But in principle, it would be much better to have USA as a partner rather than as an enemy. I'm not even saying it is realistic right now, I am saying, in general, it would be better.
And from that one sentence alone what you said, i'm pretty sure you agree.
So you are just arguing against something I never said in the first place.And I don't think so, because what we have gotten addicted to is over reliance on a partner that has never really behaved as one.
Now that we have this situation, we are looking around and rediscovering the extent of the influence and power we can have in relations with other actors.Relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5VYUewImUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHOSBKgM188This is at all possible because USA is in shambles.
