Have you encountered this?
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Try to avoid services that rely on tipping? Don't go to restaurants or order food delivery where you're expected to tip.
I understand it's not an easy thing to fix, and I sure as hell dont have the solution, but not tipping someone who is relying on tips is just a dick move
Part of the problem is that it's considered the customer's responsibility. The real dick move is on the employer not paying a decent wage.
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This seems like it is probably more of a server issue, and not a restaurant issue. The server has learned how to increase their tips, I doubt that's company policy. This is Management's problem to solve, not the government's.
This is bad logic. Every industry has a thousand things they solve by regulation to establish a sane baseline that you experience every day mistaking this hard won normalcy for a self occurring default.
The behavior that is described is actually fraud and if you consider across just this one employees year it probably is thousands of dollars in fraud. It would be normal to report such to the city government which reports such to the business which in turn fires the server and trains the rest not to defraud customers.
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Not saying this isn’t real and completely scummy, but sometimes the tip is calculated before discounts, gift cards, and whatnot. I always tip based on what our total order was even if what we paid was less.
If this is truly trying to fudge the numbers to take advantage of people then that’s shitty.wrote last edited by [email protected]My only exception to the "pre-discount" price is when places have a "buy 1 get 1" deal and they try to make you tip based on that, but the single item price is way overpriced because of it. Happens around me a lot where they're like 3pack tacos, buy 1 get 1 $21, like yeah that's great price for 6 small tacos, but I wouldn't be paying $21 for 3 tacos, so I'm not gonna tip whatever crazy amount for a bill that "would have been" $75 or something for some tacos and a drink. Granted these are usually carry out orders, but don't try to artificially inflate my bill to get better tips because you discounted it to a lower price.
Edit before people give me flak:
I still tip fairly, but if a place tries to give me some "your bill was 100$, but we discounted it to 20$ that'll be a 20$ tip though" they can fuck off. I'll tip right, but don't try to guilt trip me with a discount when you know I wouldn't be here at all of it wasn't for the discount. -
That’s because everything needs a pin, if you pay cash this still works this way. USA only started using pins around covid time iirc and it’s still not universal.
The PIN thing really confused me when I visited the US (right before Trump got in again). Like even the places that did support chip would just accept my payment without having me enter anything. First time I bought something I thought the machine glitched because I didn't even realise a payment could be made without the PIN
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Tipped minimum wage in the US is $2.13/hour, hence the reason for the high percentages.
I'm not sure it would be better without minimum wage for tipped employees rule. For example the minimum wage in Ontario is $17 and it's the same for servers, but all the restaurants have tip suggestions like: 18%, 20% and 25%
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I got chewed out on reddit once for being "cheap" because I said tip before the tax. Guy was super pissed over what amounts to a difference of cents. Went off on a huge rant belittling me like I admitted to murdering puppies..
Like... Dude, if your whole life comes crashing down over 40¢, to the point that's your reaction, maybe there's a much bigger problem going on here?
Just playing devil's advocate but that's 0.40 to you, but to a server who might wait on 100 people a week, that's $40.
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This is bad logic. Every industry has a thousand things they solve by regulation to establish a sane baseline that you experience every day mistaking this hard won normalcy for a self occurring default.
The behavior that is described is actually fraud and if you consider across just this one employees year it probably is thousands of dollars in fraud. It would be normal to report such to the city government which reports such to the business which in turn fires the server and trains the rest not to defraud customers.
This is one server, in one restaurant, not an industry-wide issue. Expecting some kind of regulatory remedy over an anecdotal issue is not the answer. I'm not a right-winger by any means, but even I know that the government isn't the solution to anything. There already is a law against this, so the local gendarmes are as far as this needs to go.
Remember when your mom told you "Don't make a Federal case out of it?" This is the kind of thing she was talking about, literally.
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Tipping by percentage never made much sense to me. I order a coffee at a diner, the waitress only gets a 42 cent tip? She should get more if she has to carry a plate of food? She checks on me the same amount. That's a five dollar tip at least.
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OH MY GOD! They tried to scam you out of a whole $1.49!!!!
Don't care. Round up to ten, you greedy cardboard cutout of a person.
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OH MY GOD! They tried to scam you out of a whole $1.49!!!!
Don't care. Round up to ten, you greedy cardboard cutout of a person.
Give 20% tip. Get called greedy. America is truly a sight to behold.
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Tipping by percentage never made much sense to me. I order a coffee at a diner, the waitress only gets a 42 cent tip? She should get more if she has to carry a plate of food? She checks on me the same amount. That's a five dollar tip at least.
Not only that but that waitress at a diner is probably providing a hell of a lot better service than that bartender where I have to wave money just to get served
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Ok genius, tell us how to stop tipping culture without stopping tipping?
give the tip directly to the worker, and also hand them a pamphlet about organizing a union at the workplace
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Tips in the US must be entirely out of control. In my experience, 10% is for good service, above for rare exceptional and less if you weren't entirely satisfied. Not even printing anything below 16 is insane.
wrote last edited by [email protected]the idea of percentage based tipping is so wild to me, in my mind a tip is only based on the reason i want to tip them.
If they did an impressive job but just did their job then i'll give them a euro or something, if they had to endure something miserable like cleaning up baby vomit then they get like 10 euro because god knows that's what i'd need to stay on that job.Also, importantly, the tip is in cash and goes directly to the person i think deserves it, and i'm going to tell the worker that wink wink nudge nudge if the employer asks then i didn't give them a tip.
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That would be a reason not to give a tip.
No it isn’t. I agree tip culture is ridiculous, but if you go somewhere where that is the norm, and then you don’t tip, you’re an asshole. No question.
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This is one server, in one restaurant, not an industry-wide issue. Expecting some kind of regulatory remedy over an anecdotal issue is not the answer. I'm not a right-winger by any means, but even I know that the government isn't the solution to anything. There already is a law against this, so the local gendarmes are as far as this needs to go.
Remember when your mom told you "Don't make a Federal case out of it?" This is the kind of thing she was talking about, literally.
Bullshit. Hopefully it’s one server and management should take care of it. But it’s appropriate to complain to the right authority so they can see if it’s a pattern in need of enforcement.
This is how things get done. A single instance of food poisoning can be a mistake, but a pattern of food poisoning is potentially in need of enforcement and remediation. But they can’t see a pattern if no one complains
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It looks like the percentages are based of a total of $37.95, so it’s possible there was a discount included that made their total closer to $30.
Maybe a comp'd desert (or app) that's ~$8 ?
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Highly doubt the server was being malicious. They aren't putting that on the receipt. It's a shitty thing for sure but it's unlikely that server had anything to do with it.
Then you’re assuming a clear pattern of fraud, not just one server cheating. That’s bigger than just not tipping
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I have yet to encounter an automatic tip calculation that doesn't base the tip on the total bill including taxes. It’s a pretty infuriating cash grab. Not only am I directly having to pay an employee’s wages so the restaurant doesn’t have to, I’m having to tip the government, too? (Yeah, I know the government doesn’t get the tip)
wrote last edited by [email protected]I've seen auto-calculated tip of all combinations of with/without tax, with/without percent discount, and with/without individual item discounts.
I wish tipping would end, by mandating a living wage for all workers from the chef to the dishwasher and including all the waitstaff and everyone else in both the front and the back. But, until it does, I try to be generous with my tips, but also kind to people that can't or are simply tired of "tipflation".
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Then you’re assuming a clear pattern of fraud, not just one server cheating. That’s bigger than just not tipping
True but still more likely. These things are built into the POS and it's unlikely that a server can alter them, and my admittedly limited experience with the industry still convinced me that if you want to find a scumbag in a restaurant it's 4 times more likely to be management than servers.
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True but still more likely. These things are built into the POS and it's unlikely that a server can alter them, and my admittedly limited experience with the industry still convinced me that if you want to find a scumbag in a restaurant it's 4 times more likely to be management than servers.
For sure, that’s the whole reason for being willing to tip. Employees asre most likely to be scammed and at least tipping makes it right for one subset of those
