Have you encountered this?
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Tipped minimum wage in the US is $2.13/hour, hence the reason for the high percentages.
I'm not sure it would be better without minimum wage for tipped employees rule. For example the minimum wage in Ontario is $17 and it's the same for servers, but all the restaurants have tip suggestions like: 18%, 20% and 25%
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I got chewed out on reddit once for being "cheap" because I said tip before the tax. Guy was super pissed over what amounts to a difference of cents. Went off on a huge rant belittling me like I admitted to murdering puppies..
Like... Dude, if your whole life comes crashing down over 40¢, to the point that's your reaction, maybe there's a much bigger problem going on here?
Just playing devil's advocate but that's 0.40 to you, but to a server who might wait on 100 people a week, that's $40.
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This is bad logic. Every industry has a thousand things they solve by regulation to establish a sane baseline that you experience every day mistaking this hard won normalcy for a self occurring default.
The behavior that is described is actually fraud and if you consider across just this one employees year it probably is thousands of dollars in fraud. It would be normal to report such to the city government which reports such to the business which in turn fires the server and trains the rest not to defraud customers.
This is one server, in one restaurant, not an industry-wide issue. Expecting some kind of regulatory remedy over an anecdotal issue is not the answer. I'm not a right-winger by any means, but even I know that the government isn't the solution to anything. There already is a law against this, so the local gendarmes are as far as this needs to go.
Remember when your mom told you "Don't make a Federal case out of it?" This is the kind of thing she was talking about, literally.
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Tipping by percentage never made much sense to me. I order a coffee at a diner, the waitress only gets a 42 cent tip? She should get more if she has to carry a plate of food? She checks on me the same amount. That's a five dollar tip at least.
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OH MY GOD! They tried to scam you out of a whole $1.49!!!!
Don't care. Round up to ten, you greedy cardboard cutout of a person.
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OH MY GOD! They tried to scam you out of a whole $1.49!!!!
Don't care. Round up to ten, you greedy cardboard cutout of a person.
Give 20% tip. Get called greedy. America is truly a sight to behold.
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Tipping by percentage never made much sense to me. I order a coffee at a diner, the waitress only gets a 42 cent tip? She should get more if she has to carry a plate of food? She checks on me the same amount. That's a five dollar tip at least.
Not only that but that waitress at a diner is probably providing a hell of a lot better service than that bartender where I have to wave money just to get served
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Ok genius, tell us how to stop tipping culture without stopping tipping?
give the tip directly to the worker, and also hand them a pamphlet about organizing a union at the workplace
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Tips in the US must be entirely out of control. In my experience, 10% is for good service, above for rare exceptional and less if you weren't entirely satisfied. Not even printing anything below 16 is insane.
wrote last edited by [email protected]the idea of percentage based tipping is so wild to me, in my mind a tip is only based on the reason i want to tip them.
If they did an impressive job but just did their job then i'll give them a euro or something, if they had to endure something miserable like cleaning up baby vomit then they get like 10 euro because god knows that's what i'd need to stay on that job.Also, importantly, the tip is in cash and goes directly to the person i think deserves it, and i'm going to tell the worker that wink wink nudge nudge if the employer asks then i didn't give them a tip.
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That would be a reason not to give a tip.
No it isn’t. I agree tip culture is ridiculous, but if you go somewhere where that is the norm, and then you don’t tip, you’re an asshole. No question.
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This is one server, in one restaurant, not an industry-wide issue. Expecting some kind of regulatory remedy over an anecdotal issue is not the answer. I'm not a right-winger by any means, but even I know that the government isn't the solution to anything. There already is a law against this, so the local gendarmes are as far as this needs to go.
Remember when your mom told you "Don't make a Federal case out of it?" This is the kind of thing she was talking about, literally.
Bullshit. Hopefully it’s one server and management should take care of it. But it’s appropriate to complain to the right authority so they can see if it’s a pattern in need of enforcement.
This is how things get done. A single instance of food poisoning can be a mistake, but a pattern of food poisoning is potentially in need of enforcement and remediation. But they can’t see a pattern if no one complains
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It looks like the percentages are based of a total of $37.95, so it’s possible there was a discount included that made their total closer to $30.
Maybe a comp'd desert (or app) that's ~$8 ?
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Highly doubt the server was being malicious. They aren't putting that on the receipt. It's a shitty thing for sure but it's unlikely that server had anything to do with it.
Then you’re assuming a clear pattern of fraud, not just one server cheating. That’s bigger than just not tipping
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I have yet to encounter an automatic tip calculation that doesn't base the tip on the total bill including taxes. It’s a pretty infuriating cash grab. Not only am I directly having to pay an employee’s wages so the restaurant doesn’t have to, I’m having to tip the government, too? (Yeah, I know the government doesn’t get the tip)
wrote last edited by [email protected]I've seen auto-calculated tip of all combinations of with/without tax, with/without percent discount, and with/without individual item discounts.
I wish tipping would end, by mandating a living wage for all workers from the chef to the dishwasher and including all the waitstaff and everyone else in both the front and the back. But, until it does, I try to be generous with my tips, but also kind to people that can't or are simply tired of "tipflation".
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Then you’re assuming a clear pattern of fraud, not just one server cheating. That’s bigger than just not tipping
True but still more likely. These things are built into the POS and it's unlikely that a server can alter them, and my admittedly limited experience with the industry still convinced me that if you want to find a scumbag in a restaurant it's 4 times more likely to be management than servers.
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True but still more likely. These things are built into the POS and it's unlikely that a server can alter them, and my admittedly limited experience with the industry still convinced me that if you want to find a scumbag in a restaurant it's 4 times more likely to be management than servers.
For sure, that’s the whole reason for being willing to tip. Employees asre most likely to be scammed and at least tipping makes it right for one subset of those
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Always tip on the subtotal. If your server worked their ass off for your table but you had a coupon for, let's say, 50% off 2 entrees and a birthday dessert, that's just devalued their effort by about $50.
Also, the tipping culture is broken, and this is bonkers.
I came from a tipping-optional culture and worked foodservice. If I got good tips, they went back into the bar at the end of the shift, or into my savings jar at home. It was never make-or-break on whether I got to pay rent or not.
tip what is appropriate regardless of the bill
there's no reason for somebody to get $10 more because I bought the premium beer instead of what's on special
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Give 20% tip. Get called greedy. America is truly a sight to behold.
Tip your fellow workers. Agitate for companies to pay their workers a living wage, but in the meantime - tip your comrades.
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I feels like reasoning like this is why it would never end.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Right?
Most people just pay it out of obligation, and the occasional nerd calls us out politely.
Gee, whatever shall we do?
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No because I live in Australia where the govt forces restaurants to Pay their staff in full rather than outsource their wages to the customers directly.
Edit: Pay, not Pauly.
