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'We Are Witnessing a New Brain Drain' as Scientists Flee America for France

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  • R [email protected]

    Jealous! Taiwan is an amazing place

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    Come visit. We are a very welcoming country and love foreigners and tourist!

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      When you gonna go full China? Feel like that's the best bet at this point.

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      I prefer to call it West Taiwan, at this point, China needs democracy and what best to bring it than Taiwan.

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

        dude, as much as i'm anti-immigration, you're overdoing it, and also, your proposals are ineffective.

        in germany, for example, the population that immigrated since 2012 makes up approx. 3% of the total population. that means that the population is roughly 3% larger than it would be without that immigration.

        that is what you should be talking about. 3% larger population means higher workforce (supply of labor), and therefore lower wages (prices for labor). That is because the immigrants add almost no demand for labor (since they have a low buying power).

        Demand for labor is mainly driven by growth, and we've had two big waves of growth since 1800: Quantitative (industrialization) and qualitative (IT work). Since both of these two waves end their growth approx. now, the demand for labor goes down. There's no point in importing more labor force, it would only make the wages go down. That is what you have to talk about: the decreasing wages through the import of cheap labor. It's essentially wage-dumping in the own country. That is what the people should be talking about. Not racism. We're not better people than them, we just need to get the workforce smaller to drive the wages up.

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        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Germany_population_pyramid.svg/1280px-Germany_population_pyramid.svg.png

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        • L [email protected]

          Don't forget to get rid of your US citizenship or they'll still profit off your work.

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          i thought it was just that if the country you’re in taxed you less than what the US would, then you have to pay the difference to the IRS?

          … and there’s no way in hell the US taxes less

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          • L [email protected]

            They want to create an oligarchy in the US.

            Privatise everything and give them to their billionaire buddies to run.

            Imagine the money you can make by selling weather data, gathered by government sensors. Or a private VA organisation with an exclusive contract with the government.

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            Selling to who?

            If the masses are penniless serfs, who is going to buy the services provided? One of the other 8 billionaires who own the country?

            They really haven't considered the longer term here. Ultimately, they'll be kings of a worthless backward shitheap, despised and shunned by the international community, their best and most promising exfiltrated to the rest of the world then fenced off to rot into obscurity.

            Like North Korea, more or less.

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              Back in 1945 you know how many people America took in who did any kind of scientific work. wernher von braun may be the most famous. That was just to insure that America would be leaders in the world. Now it doesn't seem America wants to have anything to do with leading the world in any field progresses humanity as a country.

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                They want to create an oligarchy in the US.

                Privatise everything and give them to their billionaire buddies to run.

                Imagine the money you can make by selling weather data, gathered by government sensors. Or a private VA organisation with an exclusive contract with the government.

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                Brain drain also shifts the country rightward. Worked well for Fidesz, will work well for the Republicans.

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                  Back in 1945 you know how many people America took in who did any kind of scientific work. wernher von braun may be the most famous. That was just to insure that America would be leaders in the world. Now it doesn't seem America wants to have anything to do with leading the world in any field progresses humanity as a country.

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                  Wdym? We already have Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, Horowitz, Yarvin, etc.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    This guy is getting ratio'd in this thread for insanely stupid takes. But this one is wild. Are you saying they should stay in their shit hole country and make it better themselves? It's their responsibility to fix a COUNTRY? It's their own freedom to decide what to do and where to go. If they're from the EU and a shithole country it's likely an eastern EU war ravaged country by world antagonist Putin. I'd wanna gtfo too

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                    Are you saying they should stay in their shit hole country and make it better themselves?

                    Fwiw, it's the usual right-wing take on what any (would-be) migrant should do. All of them are supposedly "responsible" for fixing their home countries, no matter whether that's just a recipe for getting killed.

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                      40..is not a lot

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                      Barely anyone is actually a researcher at an university. Science is a pyramid scheme in a sense and everyone cut away to form the top is someone selling their soul to the industry as an engineer. Hence actual numbers are small in every field of research.

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                        I suddenly like a lot of things about France.

                        I have a vps with OVH which is French, and pretty great.

                        I'll 100% sign up with eutel (?) satellite internet if it's ever available here.

                        I've also been using mistral l, a French LLM, to draft some documents lately.

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                        • iavicenna@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                          Makes me wonder where all that money is going? I mean they must be making billions in those funding cuts. Are they all gonna funnel that money into Russia and tech oligarch's pockets?

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                          Makes me wonder where all that money is going?

                          Scroll down to spending categories. Most money is spent on things like social security, medicare, veteran care, unemployment insurance, and health. Defense is 13% (and absolutely needs to be audited ASAP). Interest payments on debt is now 13% and growing fast. This is why it's important to at least reduce the deficit as fast as possible. Imagine how much good the government could do with another $400B each year without those interest payments. (well, maybe not this government, but the next one).

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                          • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                            dude, as much as i'm anti-immigration, you're overdoing it, and also, your proposals are ineffective.

                            in germany, for example, the population that immigrated since 2012 makes up approx. 3% of the total population. that means that the population is roughly 3% larger than it would be without that immigration.

                            that is what you should be talking about. 3% larger population means higher workforce (supply of labor), and therefore lower wages (prices for labor). That is because the immigrants add almost no demand for labor (since they have a low buying power).

                            Demand for labor is mainly driven by growth, and we've had two big waves of growth since 1800: Quantitative (industrialization) and qualitative (IT work). Since both of these two waves end their growth approx. now, the demand for labor goes down. There's no point in importing more labor force, it would only make the wages go down. That is what you have to talk about: the decreasing wages through the import of cheap labor. It's essentially wage-dumping in the own country. That is what the people should be talking about. Not racism. We're not better people than them, we just need to get the workforce smaller to drive the wages up.

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                            in germany, for example, the population that immigrated since 2012 makes up approx. 3% of the total population. that means that the population is roughly 3% larger than it would be without that immigration.

                            That doesn't sound correct. Source? As of 2022, 19% of Germany was foreign born. Unless there was some kind of mass immigration prior to 2012 - which I don't see in the stats - you appear to be mistaken.

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                            • L [email protected]

                              The Nazis literally lost Einstein.

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                              And Von Braun

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                              • a_norny_mousse@feddit.orgA [email protected]

                                I've been saying it since 2016: the EU should start granting political asylum to people from the US.

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                                Nope don't do it. U will get MAGA. Be super careful vetting anything that loves trump and musk. I myself planning on retiring early. 45 yo software engineer. I will end up in SEA in next 4 years. Getting ready to sell all my investment property here. America is not going to last for too long.

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                                  I left the US for Germany almost 2 years ago now. I'm a software/aerospace engineer. It was like time traveling to the future in some ways, worker right are way better here and 6 weeks of vacation has cemented that I'll never go back.

                                  Now I just need to do my part to make sure conservatives don't ruin this country any more than they already have. Not excited for Merz to get into power and continue selling out his country.

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                                  Given the AfD results I wouldnt be sure if it couldnt get much much worse.

                                  Tbh cost of living in germany has been rising a lot and a lot of public infrastructure has been severely underfunded.

                                  I still know people leaving for the US, but given recent developments this has been getting rarer

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                                  • Z [email protected]

                                    Germany needs plenty. But only the cheap ones with expert knowledge. That’s not how they would word it though

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                                    How though. I don't mind working for cheap since I am almost retiring anyways. Need something to keep me busy if I don't have to stress about politics.

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                                    • A [email protected]

                                      Est-ce qu'on distribue les baguettes, les cigarettes et les bérets obligatoires à la frontière française, ou est-ce plutôt une chose parisienne ?

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                                      Reddit bitch ass comment

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        pardonnez-moi, puis-je vous intéresser à un programmeur?

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                                        Reste chez toi.

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                                          It will take me sometime to save enough money, but once I do I am fleeing as well.

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