Server access from China
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China blocks newer TLS and forces a TLS downgrade of a version they have decryption capabilities of - https://www.f5.com/labs/articles/threat-intelligence/the-2021-tls-telemetry-report
More info - https://gfw.report/publications/usenixsecurity23/en/
Chinese cryptography law mandates packet inspection and supervison of all foreign telemetry - https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-11252-2_4
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography_lawIf you are truly skeptical of one of the world's largest cyber threat actors with an enormous economy and large population of cyber security experts is or isnt capable of trivially decrypting TLS, I don't know how else I can convince you that they are capable.
Except they didn’t say they were skeptical, and they even asked for more information. I don’t know why you got hostile in your reply to them. Because they didn’t just accept what you said as truth without needing sources?
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Is it illegal to backup my photos to the NAS in my house? I’m not even attempting to access banned services
Unauthorized VPNs (non government approved) are illegal in China. If a business needs their own they can get approval but they have to apply for those exceptions.
It isn't really enforced, probably especially so for non citizens, but if you do something they don't like it is something they could use against you.
You would probably be less breaking the law to just directly open up SSH and access that instead of tunneling through a VPN. Even though SSH can do tunneling of its own.
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People posting here don't realize that CN gov IDs and allows certain traffic to get rerouted through a certain VLAN so they can do DPI and record every packet through a beefy expensive tap device to analyze the telemetry later, and potentially build a case against you. If they so choose. And they likely have the capability to trivially decrypt TLS.
Don't bring in any tech, don't access your personal net back home, don't expect any level of actual privacy or good intentions. Just do your business and keep your digital digital persona minimal while there.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Case against you for doing what exactly? Just don't break the law. It's not hard. They're hardly going to care much about an average American going on holiday unless he intends on causing problems, a disruption, or potentially has useful information
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I wouldn't access anything nor would I take any tech with you.
Don't risk it
What are the risks, if you aren't intending on doing anything illegal?
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What are the risks, if you aren't intending on doing anything illegal?
wrote last edited by [email protected]They can load in spyware that follows you outside the country. Also the whole "if you aren't intending to do anything illegal" bit really reads like all the piece of shit bootlicking conservatives after George Floyd.
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Case against you for doing what exactly? Just don't break the law. It's not hard. They're hardly going to care much about an average American going on holiday unless he intends on causing problems, a disruption, or potentially has useful information
Extremely privileged of you to think that one can simply live a routine life thinking they are safe, while immigrants in the US aren't breaking the law and still getting rounded up into concentration camps.
China doesn't have laws enshrined in its constitution to protect immigrants like the US does (yet the Executive Branch barely give a fuck about the law), so they (China) can do whatever they fuck they want. Not defending anyone, just illuminating it since I am ignorant af
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They can load in spyware that follows you outside the country. Also the whole "if you aren't intending to do anything illegal" bit really reads like all the piece of shit bootlicking conservatives after George Floyd.
wrote last edited by [email protected]They can't do that unless they take your devices, gain admin access and install stuff onto it. You don't just get spyware installed your phone simply by entering a country.
Also the whole "if you aren't intending to do anything illegal" bit really reads like all the piece of shit bootlicking conservatives after George Floyd.
Except that is a whole different context. The argument doesn't work if you're a citizen of a country and granting your government more and more powers. It would apply maybe if you were a Chinese citizen. OP isn't talking about moving to China or installing a similar government in their home country. They are going on holiday. You can behave yourself and cooperate with their requirements for a few weeks. If you are really against a country having powers to check your phone and devices and such as a matter of principle, not because you've got anything to hide, then don't go.
George Floyd was an American citizen murdered in his own country by the powers that were supposed to protect him. Big difference.
Although I did take precautions myself, such as deleting my memes/downloads folder just in case I saved anything that could be offensive. But it didn't matter because they didn't check my phone anyway for simply being there.
China itself cares the most about public disorder and foreign influence. As long as you aren't intending on causing foreign interference in how they do things and are just going for purposes of tourism/adventure/meeting people, then you'll be absolutely fine. They don't really care enough about you to give you special treatment unless you are seen as a threat like that.
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What are the risks, if you aren't intending on doing anything illegal?
*What aren't
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Case against you for doing what exactly? Just don't break the law. It's not hard. They're hardly going to care much about an average American going on holiday unless he intends on causing problems, a disruption, or potentially has useful information
Or would be a useful hostage to trade for a Chinese person held in OP's country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_and_Michael_Kovrig
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From North America, and I’m going on vacation in china for a few weeks. I wonder if anyone knows if I’ll be able to access any of my self-hosted services over zerotier while I’m abroad?
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To be specific, I’m hoping to ssh into my machine over zerotier in case I need to fix something and back up some photos to my home NAS via rsync or somethingBringing non-disposable technology to China is a mistake in most circumstances.
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What are the risks, if you aren't intending on doing anything illegal?
wrote last edited by [email protected]China isn't exactly know for rule of law. They could simply decide you are a criminal. When traveling international it is better to play it safe.
If you really need a service I would either bring a disk drive with you or setup limited remote access for yourself that has minimal access. Remember they can force you to hand over things like passwords.
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From North America, and I’m going on vacation in china for a few weeks. I wonder if anyone knows if I’ll be able to access any of my self-hosted services over zerotier while I’m abroad?
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To be specific, I’m hoping to ssh into my machine over zerotier in case I need to fix something and back up some photos to my home NAS via rsync or somethingAt first, it will probably work. But you will likely lose access after a few days and your servers will be scanned for exploits, so make sure your shit it up to date.
Source: hosted an XMPP server which was summarily banned after 2 days of access from China and then probed/attacked repeatedly until I took it offline.
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Extremely privileged of you to think that one can simply live a routine life thinking they are safe, while immigrants in the US aren't breaking the law and still getting rounded up into concentration camps.
China doesn't have laws enshrined in its constitution to protect immigrants like the US does (yet the Executive Branch barely give a fuck about the law), so they (China) can do whatever they fuck they want. Not defending anyone, just illuminating it since I am ignorant af
wrote last edited by [email protected]I actually see China and the USA as the same level now. Difference is that the USA doesn't have cool railway infrastructure and whatever the heck is going on in Chongqing.
I don't really think China is going to want to cause an international incident, especially during a tourist drive. Although it can be risky if they want to take hostages.
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Or would be a useful hostage to trade for a Chinese person held in OP's country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_and_Michael_Kovrig
Fair enough to be fair. I did make sure the passport I was using to enter China was that of a country with no political drama happening. It did allow visa free entry though as well, so that was nice.
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China isn't exactly know for rule of law. They could simply decide you are a criminal. When traveling international it is better to play it safe.
If you really need a service I would either bring a disk drive with you or setup limited remote access for yourself that has minimal access. Remember they can force you to hand over things like passwords.
Doesn't the USA do the exact same thing?
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From North America, and I’m going on vacation in china for a few weeks. I wonder if anyone knows if I’ll be able to access any of my self-hosted services over zerotier while I’m abroad?
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To be specific, I’m hoping to ssh into my machine over zerotier in case I need to fix something and back up some photos to my home NAS via rsync or somethingI would not try to access a server from China. Can't you let someone else take care of the machine in the meantime? It's always a good idea to have some backup admin just in case.
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Doesn't the USA do the exact same thing?
I wouldn't recommend travelling to the USA either
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Is it illegal to backup my photos to the NAS in my house? I’m not even attempting to access banned services
You mean "copy the photos you have taken but you not want in your device if you would get checked on your way back out to a server in a hostile country " ?
99.99% if the normal tourists do not have a personal server to store their photos. They use a commercial cloud. By using your personal server, you behave differently from 99.99% of the tourists.
" Why do you keep your images to your personal server and not the cloud? What do you have to hide? "
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Doesn't the USA do the exact same thing?
It isn't exactly the same thing but border security can do just about anything.
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It isn't exactly the same thing but border security can do just about anything.
They can, but they probably won't in all likelihood. You could get in a car accident on the way to the airport. Your aeroplane could also crash.
