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EU Possibly Emerging As One Of The Greatest Threats To Privacy

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  • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

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    Through Sweden. If they want it, they can commit Swexit.

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      As part of its efforts, the bloc has repeatedly introduced its Chat Control legislation, aimed at weakening the encryption that protects messaging services and force providers to provide a client-side backdoor for law enforcement.

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      I'm sorry, what now?

      There is no place on this earth with better privacy protection laws

      Yeah, it's still far from perfect but to call ot the greatest threat is just disingenuous, it's a lie. It's shouting FIRE in a movie theater because someone smokes. Stop doing this shit

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        I'm sorry, what now?

        There is no place on this earth with better privacy protection laws

        Yeah, it's still far from perfect but to call ot the greatest threat is just disingenuous, it's a lie. It's shouting FIRE in a movie theater because someone smokes. Stop doing this shit

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        Accidental self-own admitting to everyone you haven’t been paying attention to the EU’s aggressive software backdoor agenda.

        If you don’t have privacy from the government, you don’t have privacy.

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          EU has the best privacy laws, only behind Switzerland.

          They will not be close to the greatest threat, but it will still be a step back.

          Also, these are proposals that has not been voted in ever before. So be sure to vote for politicians that wont, so we can keep it that way.

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          Privacy from whom? Privacy from corporations means nothing if you have zero privacy from a neoliberal corporate government.

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          • gomp@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

            The title is missing a second part: "after China, the US, Russia, the UK, etc.".

            I get that privacy is potentially in danger if chatcontrol passes (ie. it's not right now) and that to raise awareness is worthwhile, but misrepresenting one of the best places privacy-wise as "one of the greatest threats" is just dishonest.

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            No, those countries are not enshrining in law the requirement for backdoors to serve your own government, for which you’ll be required to comply.

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              The EU is interesting because there is the GDPR that has good data privacy protection but then they keep bringing up chat control which completely undermines privacy

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              Because they support limited privacy from corporations, but zero privacy from government. The neoliberals don’t consider that a double standard.

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                As part of its efforts, the bloc has repeatedly introduced its Chat Control legislation, aimed at weakening the encryption that protects messaging services and force providers to provide a client-side backdoor for law enforcement.

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                You always have to balance it with law enforcement. Being at the mercy of criminals, life savings stolen by scammers, etc is not freedom.

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                  Privacy from whom? Privacy from corporations means nothing if you have zero privacy from a neoliberal corporate government.

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                  True, but most of the Europeans dont.

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                    True, but most of the Europeans dont.

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                    Which of them are blocking EU attempts to mandate government backdoors?

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                      Privacy from whom? Privacy from corporations means nothing if you have zero privacy from a neoliberal corporate government.

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                      Right. Let's start by the right to privacy written in the constitution. A constitution is nit for companies/corporations/enterprises/zaibatsus/gafam/moral entities.

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                        Accidental self-own admitting to everyone you haven’t been paying attention to the EU’s aggressive software backdoor agenda.

                        If you don’t have privacy from the government, you don’t have privacy.

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                        If you don’t have privacy from the government, you don’t have privacy.

                        Privacy refers to more than just privacy regarding the government.

                        Your threat model and situation might mean that if the government knows something, its as bad as if every single person knows it.

                        But this isn't for everyone.

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                          As part of its efforts, the bloc has repeatedly introduced its Chat Control legislation, aimed at weakening the encryption that protects messaging services and force providers to provide a client-side backdoor for law enforcement.

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                          If anyone were really worried about privacy, all internet related companies would be in bankruptcy. Apple? Meta? Google? SnapChat? Reddit? You name it, their whole purpose is collecting the personal data of their users.

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                            Which of them are blocking EU attempts to mandate government backdoors?

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                            https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/

                            He put the ones who didnt vote 'in favour', that's why it didnt pass.

                            But you can see who's directly opposing.

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                              As part of its efforts, the bloc has repeatedly introduced its Chat Control legislation, aimed at weakening the encryption that protects messaging services and force providers to provide a client-side backdoor for law enforcement.

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                              It is a big difference to confuse the lack of privacy when an gov can access userdata in the case of an court order with the lack of privacy when private companies can spread and sell userdata.
                              The difference is the right of the user, which exists by law in the EU, but not in the USA. The EU is far from perfect, but lightyears better in questions of privacy

                              Microsoft US

                              Microsoft EU

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                                As part of its efforts, the bloc has repeatedly introduced its Chat Control legislation, aimed at weakening the encryption that protects messaging services and force providers to provide a client-side backdoor for law enforcement.

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                                No, it's not even close to one of the greatest threats. Of course it's up to shady s***, of that there can be no doubt, but it's not ranked in the top five.

                                Classic baitclick.

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                                  If you don’t have privacy from the government, you don’t have privacy.

                                  Privacy refers to more than just privacy regarding the government.

                                  Your threat model and situation might mean that if the government knows something, its as bad as if every single person knows it.

                                  But this isn't for everyone.

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                                  If you are a human being living under the control of a government, the government is absolutely a threat to you.

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                                    If you are a human being living under the control of a government, the government is absolutely a threat to you.

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                                    ...the government is absolutely a threat to you.

                                    I don't see how this supports your previous claim about not having privacy at all if the government has breached your privacy.

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                                      If you are a human being living under the control of a government, the government is absolutely a threat to you.

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                                      Yes, in an dictatorship where the gov have always access to your data and activity, but in the EU they need for it an court order to access the data from an individual. Meanwhile US companies like Google, are even reading your mail.

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                                        Accidental self-own admitting to everyone you haven’t been paying attention to the EU’s aggressive software backdoor agenda.

                                        If you don’t have privacy from the government, you don’t have privacy.

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                                        Can you point to a specific law that the EU has passed in this direction? Cos according to the article all attempts so far have failed.

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                                        • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                                          None of those countries are trying to dismantle encryption entirely so no, I disagree.

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                                          I genuinely sus that all "fedditors" are Washingtobots

                                          Feddit.org instance even has "fed" and "reddit" in it, what an unholy mix

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