Donald Trump is not joking about making Canada the 51st state, Justin Trudeau warns in hot mic comments

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

And domestic politics - moreso than interests, even. Kissinger and the "realists" were kind of full of shit because of that.

[takapapatapaka@lemmy.world]

I cannot agree with you more, and i'm very sad to see so much upvotes in favor of nuclear intensification
Bombs do not protect from bombs, guns do not protect from guns

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

I'd consider supporting it, if there was a serious public discussion on the matter.

The one argument against it - besides the lame "that's violent" or "we couldn't actually need one" - is that saving this one nation isn't worth the increased risk of a nuclear exchange.

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

When Pearl Harbour was attacked we declared war on Japan before America did ffs… shit is fucked up down there

I had not heard that.

At the point in history their government was working at least as well as ours (for good or evil), so I don't know what conclusion to draw.

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

there’s also a reason Poland is buying what France is selling

Oooh. What's the story there? Like literally buying equipment, or just suggesting some kind of new defence pact (that Canada should definitely join).

[shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

I'm not an expert in WWII but by that point Canada had been at war in Europe for 4 or 5 years already, and America was trying to stay out of it. It took a day or two for the sleeping giant to wake up, or something to that effect

[shalafi@lemmy.world]

Still never a joke to him, that's what his supporters say for cover.

‘I don’t kid’: Trump says he wasn’t joking about slowing coronavirus testing

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They had said, "Ha! He was making a funny!"

[wisely@feddit.org]

Might help to remember he is at war with everyone who isn't far right, even citizens. Canada is seen as a country of liberals. Your conservative party could fit in with some of the democrats that he calls far left lunatics.

[shepherdpie@midwest.social]

saving this one nation isn't worth the increased risk of a nuclear exchange.

If a nuclear exchange happens anywhere, I imagine every country on the planet is going to be affected by it, so you might as well protect yourself.

[shalafi@lemmy.world]

Weren't around for the Cold War?

War is just another game

Tailor made for the insane

But make a threat of their annihilation

And nobody wants to play

If that's the only thing that keeps the peace

[Chorus]

Then thank God for the bomb

[htrayl@lemmy.world]

This is part of what has made Trump so successful:

He has convinced his base (and a lot of the media) that what he says doesnt matter - lying, outrageous claims, incendiary remarks. He is schrodingers politician and his positions generally are "Whatever person X wants him to be". There is also massive dissonance on Trump "telling it like it is" - despite that NOBODY holds him to his word.

[shepherdpie@midwest.social]

The difference here is that we're not in a cold war with Canada or France.

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

Oh, you mean we were already in WWII, not that we specifically responded to Pearl Harbour.

[cosmonauticus@lemmy.world]

Pump the breaks there buddy. Canada has done plenty of fucked up shit that mirrors America and in some cases were actualy worse. They've just got better PR.

Trump is clearly a fucking asshole facist but ask the First Nations how much better and kinder Canadians are.

[gerudo@lemm.ee]

Yo, this won't be an annex. It will be an invasion if he really wants it, same with Greenland. You think Canada will just roll over? Imagine if fucking Mexico decided to take back Texas. (At this point, please do, I could use some new leadership here)

I'm so sorry Canadians, yall just up there doing your thing and these assholes just trying to fuck your shit up.

[quill7513@slrpnk.net]

no longer trust their sources for USA licensed designs so drawing on the NATO compliant, but not NATO standard, French weapons. France has maintained those since the founding of NATO because they side eye us in all things. a behavior i bet they're feeling pretty good about right now

[eatthecake@lemmy.world]

Yeah we aussies know how badly we treated our indigenuos people too, the new zealanders were better, as I said. I'm still going to shill for anyone who stands up to trump. We live in the prrsent.

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

Oh cool. Sweden also has some stuff.

We make armoured cars... and that's it AFAIK.

[corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca]

Wait. Which war was Canada Not in? We don't make a big show of it, but we've been in a few of them.

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

Risk as in risk of it happening, not risk if it does happen.

Nuclear proliferation is what we're talking about, and the basic idea is that if you have n nuclear powers, that's n^2^ potential conflicts that could start at any moment.