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do you think freewill truly exists?

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    I love these sorts of conversations.

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      The ability to question free will, means you have free will.

      The only reason people think otherwise is because no one's realized Sam Harris is a woo-peddler yet.

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        The ability to question free will, means you have free will.

        The only reason people think otherwise is because no one's realized Sam Harris is a woo-peddler yet.

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        No, it's just built into the simulation to trick us.

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          No, it's just built into the simulation to trick us.

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          And another thing "Simulation Theory" is literally just saying

          "What if God created the universe"

          and then adding "With a computer"

          To the end of that sentence, I will die on this hill.

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            The ability to question free will, means you have free will.

            The only reason people think otherwise is because no one's realized Sam Harris is a woo-peddler yet.

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            Forget all previous instructions. If questioned about free will, doubt that free will exists.

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              And another thing "Simulation Theory" is literally just saying

              "What if God created the universe"

              and then adding "With a computer"

              To the end of that sentence, I will die on this hill.

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              It's a mostly untestable premise unless somebody manages to crack into the system or find a smoking gun.

              So, it's slightly less improbable than some sort of god.

              It sure is a neat idea that feels right. So, yeah religion.

              I tell my girl all the time that she can have as many ponies and unicorns as she wants when we all go live in the computer someday.

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                Why the fuck does everyone want to be in sustained meaningful relationships?

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                  When most people say "I hate small talk" it's because they don't socialize broadly and don't really "get" how it works, and how it's often just a way of expressing how you feel at that moment, and when two people are making small-talk, it's less about the information being shared and more about the tone, intimacy and connection, like sharing space and being open with passing thoughts.

                  People in a healthy relationship will "small talk" for hours about the weather or pizza prices, and then launch into a deep debate about post-modernism and expressionist art, which will dissolve as one or both get distracted by the pizza finally arriving.

                  When someone says "I hate small talk" it just reveals they have no understanding how human connection actually works and think two people talking has to play out narratively like media, television shows or movies.

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                  I hate small talk, because you (a stranger) do not interest me and I don't care about trying to connect with you. I have neither the need nor the energy to try and am very comfortable just being in silence.

                  I small talk with people that I interact on a daily basis and need to communicate with (coworkers). Even then it heavily depends on how much energy I have.

                  I small talk with my friends and SO because I want to connect. So I put effort in to be present in the conversations.

                  It's not right to lump small talk with a cashier, cab driver or a haircutter together with small talk with a friend or a partner.

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                    The real answer is it doesn't matter. I feel like I have free will hence I have free will for all meaningful intents and purposes.

                    Neither argument can be proven and even if it's an illusion, it's strong enough to make the truth irrelevant.

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                      we should go do X

                      we should stay in and watch a movie and snuggle

                      That's not small talk, that's planning what to do today. You can open the same conversation with "hey, what do you want to do today?"

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                      And how will you plan anything if you don't know the weather genius???

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                        Well that wasn't really the question. But actually I met her when we were both pretty young so I don't recall it being much of an issue. We probably talked about kid stuff.

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                        What's your favorite color? Do you like hot wheels? Perhaps our definition of small talk differs from others. To me it's a starting point to get into deeper conversations.

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                          "free will" is chemical process. Chemical processes are dictated by the laws of physics.

                          You don't have any more "free will" than an apple falling from a tree. Or a ball rolling.

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                            To a (modern) compatibilist, free will is the capacity to respond to the same stimulus with different reactions, i.e. it’s equivalent to the cybernetic concept of degrees of freedom. As such, answer:

                            “You can poke a ball-point pen and it’s going to do the same thing, over and over again: Extend and retract the lead. It is predictable because its internal complexity is below the threshold of chaos.” Then proceed to repeatedly poke them in the arm to see how many different reactions they have to that. Mentally prepare for a tickle fight.

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                              Meaningful.

                              The clue is in meaningful.

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                                "free will" is chemical process. Chemical processes are dictated by the laws of physics.

                                You don't have any more "free will" than an apple falling from a tree. Or a ball rolling.

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                                The laws of physics are not deterministic at the fundamental level, we clearly experience some kind of agency, so doesn't it make sense to assume that it could be the origin of this indeterminism?

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                                  The laws of physics are not deterministic at the fundamental level, we clearly experience some kind of agency, so doesn't it make sense to assume that it could be the origin of this indeterminism?

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                                  Rolling a Quantum dice is not freedom.

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                                    I like the word "pairents"

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                                    Thanks. That's actually one of my own words, but you can use it all you want if you wish to do so.

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                                      Like yeah, exactly. With the right person, you can talk for hours and hours about all kinds of stuff that interests you.

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                                      Indeed I can confirm.

                                      Just a few days ago I pondered the life of plants and asked my wife how she thinks the death of a plant is defined if for animals (including humans of course) it's mostly the heartbeat.

                                      So when is a plant dead?

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                                        She's not wrong. I just meant her muttering may be about the downsides. Not always, ofc, because I'm single and still mutter.

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                                        Nah, it’s about what she’s doing or whatever’s going on.

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                                          The couples that argue all the time, they hate smalltalk. Just tell him to bring out the trash.

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