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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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  • D [email protected]

    The concept of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"

    There's no nuance from the left. The left polices itself like the radical right thinks they (the party of law and order) do.

    Had a podcaster get dropped by their long time partner because there were lewd text messages sent.

    I'm tired of the reactionary bullshit, currently Dawkins and Gaiman are being dropped, and I understand not wanting to associate/support Dawkins' current views, the guy wrote very persuasive works that shouldn't lose value because he lost his empathy.

    I still read and enjoy enders game despite knowing what a tool Card turned into, how is it so difficult to separate art from the artist?

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    If you're paying a rapist for their work and encouraging people to pay the rapist that's helping the rapist. Completely fine by me if you pirate the books and don't tell other people to buy them.

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      That intellectual property, both copyright or patents, doesn't serve its theoretical purpose and just acts as a legal shield for the monopolies of big corporations, at least in our capitalistic system, and it limits the spread of information

      In theory, a musician should be protected against abuse of their music. In practice, all musicians need to be on Spotify through one of the few main publishers to make any decent money, and their music will be used for unintended purposes (intended for their contract at least) like AI training

      In theory, patents should allow a small company with an idea to sell its progressive product to many big corporations. In practice, one big corporation will either buy the small company or copy the product and have the money to legally support its case against all evidence, lobbying to change laws too. Not to mention that big corporations are the ones that can do enough research to have relevant patents, it's much harder for universities and SMEs, not to mention big corporations can lobby to reduce public funding to R&D programs in universities and for SMEs.

      And, last but not least important, access to content, think of politically relevant movies or book, depends on your income. If you are from a poorer country, chances are you cannot enjoy as much information and content as one born in a richer country.

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      I believe it does function in as it does in theory, but the justification to the public is what you list as "in theory." Regulations like IP laws are only allowed to pass because they support the profits of those who hold the IP.

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      • A [email protected]

        Its going to take hundreds or thousands of years to achieve A Better World and not three back-to-back election cycles that are shutouts for the right, nor one or two color revolutions. All of time since the French Revolution and the Enlightenement has been the blink of an eye in historical terms.

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        I sort of agree. As Lenin says, "there are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen." I believe Humanity taking supremacy over Capital, rather than the inverse, will be an astonishingly rapid process, but that once that has happened and progress can well and truly begin, said progress will come slowly and require tremendous effort to get there.

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        • ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

          Necessities should be free for all.

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          Is that unpopular among Anarchists?

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          • azzu@lemm.eeA [email protected]

            So what is the alternative to "downvoting" someone's opinion? You can't support it, obviously, that would be stupid. I just see no other way than "downvoting", saying "well, I see where you're coming from, but your opinion is wrong and doesn't achieve what you want".

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            Hexbear doesn't have downvotes, you are encouraged to reply and actually address the bad comments.

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            • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

              I'd give the revolution in the US zero % chance of success, which one is better?

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              I'd give revolution a greater chance of success than UBI coming without equal or greater social functions taken away to compensate. Revolution is practically an inevitability, UBI is closer to a dream.

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              • kotauskas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneK [email protected]

                Christianity should be criminalized.

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                Only Christianity, or all Abrahamic religions, or all spirituality?

                Can i still like Jesus? Can i still study Christ as a historical figure?

                What about ancient religious art? Destroy it?

                What's the punishment if i get caught thinking about The Lord, or God forbid, praying!?

                Just for context i am not religious or spiritual, but it seems like a thought crime.

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                • T [email protected]

                  Rabies victims and rabid as in dangerous are different things mein freund

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                  I took it as a metaphor for the amazing ability humans have to change

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                  • L [email protected]

                    I think on the Left we have a "virtuous" cycle/feedback loop that results in increasingly outlandish positions.

                    Essentially, for most people there's a serotonin feedback when people upvote, applaud, reteeet etc. People, responding to incentives like anyone else shift their online discourse to match.

                    Similarly, even beyond the positive feedback, on thr Left no one wants to be a white cis male contradicting the feelings, emotions or arguments of a POC or LGBTQ+ person.

                    The Right doesn't really have this problem as the Far right opinions are generally understood to be reprehensible to most people so those movements have evolved to work on dog whistles etc.

                    It's a structural issue but one that puts us out of touch with the mainstream (consider defund the police, transgender athletes or immigration until we were getting murdered in the polls and it was too late to do anything.)

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                    on the Left we

                    Where on "the Left"?

                    no one wants to be a white cis male contradicting the feelings, emotions or arguments of a POC or LGBTQ+ person

                    Maybe liberals don't. And I wouldn't consider them to be on the left.

                    Why would you want to police emotions or feelings of others?
                    Arguments on the other handz should be based on logic. And as long as you're respectful, one can disagree.
                    Your attempt at making all these different scenarios look the same, makes me question your position and honesty in this conversation

                    The Right doesn't really have this problem as the Far right opinions are generally understood to be reprehensible to most people

                    This is just purely false and inaccurate. There are plenty of people who agree with far right talking points

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                    • T [email protected]

                      I agree and disagree.

                      I believe he doesn't actually care for anything but himself. He is racist and classist and what else. But I don't think it dictates his politics as much as you might would assume. He wants power and through his own racism, he released that "vague" racism works, but mostly the creation of the "others".

                      But I think his activities are deeply based in traditional republican values. That is why project 2025 exists. Republican think Tanks created it. You could argue that those aren't republican values but e.g. they pushed for a horrible school system for decades. Trump doesn't actually care about it, but he follows the plan because it aligns with government deregulation which he likes.

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                      To your second point, I think you're somewhat right about that. However it's a weird mix of traditional Republican values and this new Nationalism. Republicans were traditionally for a small federal government (except military of course)

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                      • J [email protected]

                        I can read the book, but... I just don't understand how leftism can be successful without followers.

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                        That doesn’t make sense. You need to start with a correct historical and material analysis before you can approach anything else. Socialism is based on dialectical materialism, not gaining ‘followers’. Leftism is not a religion that aims to have many converts but rather should understand why neocolonialism and other such institutions would deincentivize white people from being leftists in the United States in the first place.

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                        • J [email protected]

                          Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                          That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.

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                            Abortion is not a moral hazard at all. Most people who might exist don't. The whole "everyone agrees abortion is awful..." shit is obnoxious. I legitimately do not care. I am far more concerned about the lives of actual children. Once we seriously tackle that issue, we can move downstream.

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                            Agreed.

                            Couldn't care less about fetuses. I do care about the people carrying fetuses and their quality of life, however.

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                            • M [email protected]

                              It seems like the atmosphere is changing now but I've been saying this for years.

                              The language of privilege is backwards and counter productive.

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                              Denying privileged doesn’t make it go away. You have to first understand something in order to deconstruct or oppose it.

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                                That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.

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                                Can't care about your neigbors when you still have to worry about your own mouth to feed.

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                                  That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.

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                                  They go hand-in-hand, though, and moreover "true economic equality" isn't possible when humans vary wildly in needs and abilities, hence Marx's whole attack on the so-called "equalitarians."

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                                  • tacobuttplug@sh.itjust.worksT [email protected]

                                    Humans aren't going to evolve towards intelligence. We're a pretty short-sighted stupid species. We're going to continue to devolve and kill ourselves off, one way or another.

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                                    Being ‘short-sighted’ is irrelevant. That’s not at all how all evolution works. Dollo’s Law of Irreversibility knocks down any notion of ‘devolving’ existing anyway. Evolutionary paths are not going to go trace themselves back again.

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                                    • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                      They go hand-in-hand, though, and moreover "true economic equality" isn't possible when humans vary wildly in needs and abilities, hence Marx's whole attack on the so-called "equalitarians."

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                                      They do not, as evidence by the last two decades of "progressive" politics here in the US.

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                                        They do not, as evidence by the last two decades of "progressive" politics here in the US.

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                                        The US has not had either, truly.

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                                        • T [email protected]

                                          Yup. We’re producing the goods, we need the goods, why the hell are we doing this with shareholders and money?

                                          Oh right, cause human time is limited and automation isn’t good enough.

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                                          Humanity also just can't coexist peacefully with anything. We ruin everything we touch. Our hubris will be our downfall and I take comfort in the fact that the Earth will heal after we extinct ourselves.

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