What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?
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Rabies victims and rabid as in dangerous are different things mein freund
I took it as a metaphor for the amazing ability humans have to change
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I think on the Left we have a "virtuous" cycle/feedback loop that results in increasingly outlandish positions.
Essentially, for most people there's a serotonin feedback when people upvote, applaud, reteeet etc. People, responding to incentives like anyone else shift their online discourse to match.
Similarly, even beyond the positive feedback, on thr Left no one wants to be a white cis male contradicting the feelings, emotions or arguments of a POC or LGBTQ+ person.
The Right doesn't really have this problem as the Far right opinions are generally understood to be reprehensible to most people so those movements have evolved to work on dog whistles etc.
It's a structural issue but one that puts us out of touch with the mainstream (consider defund the police, transgender athletes or immigration until we were getting murdered in the polls and it was too late to do anything.)
on the Left we
Where on "the Left"?
no one wants to be a white cis male contradicting the feelings, emotions or arguments of a POC or LGBTQ+ person
Maybe liberals don't. And I wouldn't consider them to be on the left.
Why would you want to police emotions or feelings of others?
Arguments on the other handz should be based on logic. And as long as you're respectful, one can disagree.
Your attempt at making all these different scenarios look the same, makes me question your position and honesty in this conversationThe Right doesn't really have this problem as the Far right opinions are generally understood to be reprehensible to most people
This is just purely false and inaccurate. There are plenty of people who agree with far right talking points
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I agree and disagree.
I believe he doesn't actually care for anything but himself. He is racist and classist and what else. But I don't think it dictates his politics as much as you might would assume. He wants power and through his own racism, he released that "vague" racism works, but mostly the creation of the "others".
But I think his activities are deeply based in traditional republican values. That is why project 2025 exists. Republican think Tanks created it. You could argue that those aren't republican values but e.g. they pushed for a horrible school system for decades. Trump doesn't actually care about it, but he follows the plan because it aligns with government deregulation which he likes.
To your second point, I think you're somewhat right about that. However it's a weird mix of traditional Republican values and this new Nationalism. Republicans were traditionally for a small federal government (except military of course)
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I can read the book, but... I just don't understand how leftism can be successful without followers.
That doesn’t make sense. You need to start with a correct historical and material analysis before you can approach anything else. Socialism is based on dialectical materialism, not gaining ‘followers’. Leftism is not a religion that aims to have many converts but rather should understand why neocolonialism and other such institutions would deincentivize white people from being leftists in the United States in the first place.
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Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.
That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.
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Abortion is not a moral hazard at all. Most people who might exist don't. The whole "everyone agrees abortion is awful..." shit is obnoxious. I legitimately do not care. I am far more concerned about the lives of actual children. Once we seriously tackle that issue, we can move downstream.
Agreed.
Couldn't care less about fetuses. I do care about the people carrying fetuses and their quality of life, however.
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It seems like the atmosphere is changing now but I've been saying this for years.
The language of privilege is backwards and counter productive.
Denying privileged doesn’t make it go away. You have to first understand something in order to deconstruct or oppose it.
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That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.
Can't care about your neigbors when you still have to worry about your own mouth to feed.
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That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.
They go hand-in-hand, though, and moreover "true economic equality" isn't possible when humans vary wildly in needs and abilities, hence Marx's whole attack on the so-called "equalitarians."
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Humans aren't going to evolve towards intelligence. We're a pretty short-sighted stupid species. We're going to continue to devolve and kill ourselves off, one way or another.
Being ‘short-sighted’ is irrelevant. That’s not at all how all evolution works. Dollo’s Law of Irreversibility knocks down any notion of ‘devolving’ existing anyway. Evolutionary paths are not going to go trace themselves back again.
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They go hand-in-hand, though, and moreover "true economic equality" isn't possible when humans vary wildly in needs and abilities, hence Marx's whole attack on the so-called "equalitarians."
They do not, as evidence by the last two decades of "progressive" politics here in the US.
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They do not, as evidence by the last two decades of "progressive" politics here in the US.
The US has not had either, truly.
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Yup. We’re producing the goods, we need the goods, why the hell are we doing this with shareholders and money?
Oh right, cause human time is limited and automation isn’t good enough.
Humanity also just can't coexist peacefully with anything. We ruin everything we touch. Our hubris will be our downfall and I take comfort in the fact that the Earth will heal after we extinct ourselves.
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Can't care about your neigbors when you still have to worry about your own mouth to feed.
And you're not going to miss a days pay to protest or vote when you know neither candidate gives a shit about your health and well-being.
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I took it as a metaphor for the amazing ability humans have to change
eh, the question was "What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?" rather than "change my mind"
Could probably start a flame war on where I draw the line. Josef Fritzl or Albert Fish deserve/d to be put the fuck down. But then I'd consider Dahmer the
other side of the line, he committed horrific crimes but he was clearly deeply mentally ill and the result of severe societal failures. -
Ima be honest. I just don’t fuck with pronouns. I’ll typically use they even if I know what their preferred ones are. That or whatever feels better for what I’m talking about.
You are describing intentional misgendering. That's against our instance rules, so make sure you use preferred pronouns for folks who display them.
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eh, the question was "What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?" rather than "change my mind"
Could probably start a flame war on where I draw the line. Josef Fritzl or Albert Fish deserve/d to be put the fuck down. But then I'd consider Dahmer the
other side of the line, he committed horrific crimes but he was clearly deeply mentally ill and the result of severe societal failures.Defs not tryna flame, I agree with you, some mfers needa be put down. (The rich for example)
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This is exactly the political description described in Ann Palmer's "Terra Ignota." Government by consent, irrespective of geography. People would join with up to one Hive -- some embodied idealist motherly traits like the Cousins, others were strictly about the nationstates of old, like the European Union. It's four volumes, but is an interesting tale of 25th century political science.
Very cool. Thanks, I'd never heard of that book.
Robert Heinlein worked on some real political campaigns back in the day and it shows in his writings.
Another fun political writer is Ross Thomas. He was a WW2 veteran who went from being a Washington reporter to a crime novelist.
"The Fools In Town Are On Our Side" is about a plan to clean up a small Southern city by making it "
so corrupt that even the pimps will vote for reform.""The Porkchoppers" is about a Nixon era Union election. It's all about the nuts and bolts of running a dirty campaign.
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Defs not tryna flame, I agree with you, some mfers needa be put down. (The rich for example)
someone hoards huge amounts of items they can't possibly ever use we rightly consider them to be mentally ill. someone hoards more money than they could ever possibly spend in several lifetimes and we think they're a goddamn virtuoso fuuuuuck that shit.
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But the reason it's based on address is because the person you vote for has power over that location. In this system, what would that person have power over?
The idea is briefly mentioned in the book "Double Star" by Robert Heinlein. He doesn't provide an actual constitution.
Governors and mayors would still run the local area, but the national laws would be passed by a legislature composed of people all elected 'at large.'
The Congressmember from Texas has no power in his state. He can't force anyone to do something. They can go to Washington and vote for a law that's enforced by the police.
