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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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    I think if we eliminated money, we would just invent it again and call it something else.

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    Depends on what you consider "money" and what Mode of Production you have.

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      Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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      I don't really know what constitutes a "political creed," really, so I don't know how to answer.

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        Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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        People should be free to vote outside the two party system secure in the knowledge that their vote will still be counted if their preference didn't win.

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          The concept of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"

          There's no nuance from the left. The left polices itself like the radical right thinks they (the party of law and order) do.

          Had a podcaster get dropped by their long time partner because there were lewd text messages sent.

          I'm tired of the reactionary bullshit, currently Dawkins and Gaiman are being dropped, and I understand not wanting to associate/support Dawkins' current views, the guy wrote very persuasive works that shouldn't lose value because he lost his empathy.

          I still read and enjoy enders game despite knowing what a tool Card turned into, how is it so difficult to separate art from the artist?

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          how is it so difficult to separate art from the artist?

          Can you have art without an artist? Can you have an artist without art? No. Art is a human expression. It comes from a person. AI art might be technically accomplished but it only says something when a human is in control of the AI. You can just kind of tune out that aspect of a work of art and try to enjoy it on its own merits, but in doing so you are effectively censoring the art and not engaging with it on its own terms. The artist is an integral part of the work.

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            I would argue calling all they/them is the opposite of misgendering. "They" has no gender. It is neuter.

            "Intentional non-gendering" seems sensible and inoffensive. No chance of misgendering anyone.

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            I'm a gender abolitionist philosophically, so I get what you are saying and I would also prefer for everyone to agree to adopt using gender neutral language and be done with it. But we should still respect the preferred pronouns of others, because it isn't up to you or me to force that choice on everyone else. It's not much different from a Republican (for example) refusing to use she/her towards a trans woman. For some folks their pronouns are super important to them, so imo it's just disrespectful not to use them when they are stated.

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            • cosmiccleric@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

              Centrists want the status quo, yes, but mostly just for themselves.

              That's not true at all. I know Centrists who care about everybody, and want everybody to be safe/happy/successful. They see it as a "floating tide raises all boats" kind of thing.

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              But only in a kind of theoretical sense. They think the status quo is best for everyone, but it's really only best for them. What is a more centrist sentiment than "our system may not be perfect, but it's the best there is"? See Dr. King's "Letter from Birmingham Jail" for an eloquent condemnation of "moderates".

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                I agree, animal rights are important. I am not sure that animals are worth as much as humans morally, but even so, the argument for shrimp welfare is extremely moving. Well worth reading. It's easy to imagine shrimp's lives are meaningless because they are small, have tiny brains, and have a silly name.

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                It seems pretty mind bending to morally rank organisms. By what metric do you estimate humans are more valuable than a random animal?

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                  Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                  I believe in the possibility of bigfoot being real.

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                  • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                    Depends on what you consider "money" and what Mode of Production you have.

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                    Anything you exchange as a representation or substitute for something else of value. I think communism would reinvent what I consider money but wouldn't use it as it's used under capitalism.

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                      Anything you exchange as a representation or substitute for something else of value. I think communism would reinvent what I consider money but wouldn't use it as it's used under capitalism.

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                      Some Communist theoreticians consider Labor Vouchers to be distinct from money, as they would be destroyed upon first use and serve more as a "credit" for labor, and would eliminate the concept of accumulation of money from labor exploitation and exchange.

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                        Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                        Immigration is universally a roaring net positive in all of history ; economically, socially, everything. It's more than disinformation when they spew talking points. It's hate. And most people complicit are just fully ignorant. USA lost their empire due to lack of education. Every other first world nations have their success in lockstep with the level of education they give their kids. A heist of all wealth has been conducted and you are viewing the aftermath. Elon will find your coffers empty. The real treasure, turns out, was the people.

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                          They do not, as evidence by the last two decades of "progressive" politics here in the US.

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                          This country would need another 250 years of progressive policies to undo the social and economic damage it has done through racist policy. 20 years of progressive politics can't undo 2.5 centuries of racial exploitation and division.

                          Let's not forget additionally that the USs elected "progressive" politicians for the last two decades fall right of center by world standards as well. If the US would like to *actually make progress" (hint: it doesn't, our geriopatrikyriarchy LOVES genocide and exploitation of smaller nations) they'd have to start by not calling the conservative party the left, and not calling the Nazi party the right.

                          This nation has its head in the political sand so deep it can't even see its own nose anymore, it will be well collapsed and already rebuilt before it realizes it's a different nation run by different people.

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                          • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                            Some Communist theoreticians consider Labor Vouchers to be distinct from money, as they would be destroyed upon first use and serve more as a "credit" for labor, and would eliminate the concept of accumulation of money from labor exploitation and exchange.

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                            I am aware of this. It's functionally no different than a dollar bill. The fact that I intend to melt down an axe after I use it to chop a tree down doesn't make it not an axehead. If I used that same axe to hack my neighbor to death, well, that's a completely different use. In the case of communist 'money', I think we would cease using money to kill our neighbor.

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                              I don't do it either, but i'm an older queer so i see it as painting a target on my back.

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                              That, too. Things have regressed, it is definitely a target now.

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                              • N [email protected]

                                I am aware of this. It's functionally no different than a dollar bill. The fact that I intend to melt down an axe after I use it to chop a tree down doesn't make it not an axehead. If I used that same axe to hack my neighbor to death, well, that's a completely different use. In the case of communist 'money', I think we would cease using money to kill our neighbor.

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                                I don't understand how the issues of money persist if you can only earn LVs through labor. Why would you kill your neighbor?

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                                  Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                                  I'm centrist so I probably believe in something that offends both sides.

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                                    I don't understand how the issues of money persist if you can only earn LVs through labor. Why would you kill your neighbor?

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                                    I wouldn't kill my neighbor? Was that too complicated an example? I think that money, like an axe, is a tool that can be used differently in different contexts. 'Money' isn't the issue. How it's used is the issue, which is why I think we would invent it. You don't solve the 'issues' of an axe. You don't solve the 'issues' of money. Capitalism uses stand-ins for value to harm people, but I am not convinced it's an inherent trait of value stand-ins. I think LV's are money, so I think you think that is true also.

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                                      I believe in the possibility of bigfoot being real.

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                                      Seeing as people have pushed out to every tiny corner of the country if it exists they would've found physical remains by now.

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                                        I wouldn't kill my neighbor? Was that too complicated an example? I think that money, like an axe, is a tool that can be used differently in different contexts. 'Money' isn't the issue. How it's used is the issue, which is why I think we would invent it. You don't solve the 'issues' of an axe. You don't solve the 'issues' of money. Capitalism uses stand-ins for value to harm people, but I am not convinced it's an inherent trait of value stand-ins. I think LV's are money, so I think you think that is true also.

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                                        I'm asking what's wrong with money that carries over to LVs. Why is money an issue?

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                                          That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.

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                                          The left has become so focused on illegal immigrants and identity politics that they have abandoned working class economic issues and rural white voters and it has cost them elections.

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