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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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  • J [email protected]

    I agree, animal rights are important. I am not sure that animals are worth as much as humans morally, but even so, the argument for shrimp welfare is extremely moving. Well worth reading. It's easy to imagine shrimp's lives are meaningless because they are small, have tiny brains, and have a silly name.

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    It seems pretty mind bending to morally rank organisms. By what metric do you estimate humans are more valuable than a random animal?

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      Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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      I believe in the possibility of bigfoot being real.

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      • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

        Depends on what you consider "money" and what Mode of Production you have.

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        Anything you exchange as a representation or substitute for something else of value. I think communism would reinvent what I consider money but wouldn't use it as it's used under capitalism.

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          Anything you exchange as a representation or substitute for something else of value. I think communism would reinvent what I consider money but wouldn't use it as it's used under capitalism.

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          Some Communist theoreticians consider Labor Vouchers to be distinct from money, as they would be destroyed upon first use and serve more as a "credit" for labor, and would eliminate the concept of accumulation of money from labor exploitation and exchange.

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            Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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            Immigration is universally a roaring net positive in all of history ; economically, socially, everything. It's more than disinformation when they spew talking points. It's hate. And most people complicit are just fully ignorant. USA lost their empire due to lack of education. Every other first world nations have their success in lockstep with the level of education they give their kids. A heist of all wealth has been conducted and you are viewing the aftermath. Elon will find your coffers empty. The real treasure, turns out, was the people.

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              They do not, as evidence by the last two decades of "progressive" politics here in the US.

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              This country would need another 250 years of progressive policies to undo the social and economic damage it has done through racist policy. 20 years of progressive politics can't undo 2.5 centuries of racial exploitation and division.

              Let's not forget additionally that the USs elected "progressive" politicians for the last two decades fall right of center by world standards as well. If the US would like to *actually make progress" (hint: it doesn't, our geriopatrikyriarchy LOVES genocide and exploitation of smaller nations) they'd have to start by not calling the conservative party the left, and not calling the Nazi party the right.

              This nation has its head in the political sand so deep it can't even see its own nose anymore, it will be well collapsed and already rebuilt before it realizes it's a different nation run by different people.

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                Some Communist theoreticians consider Labor Vouchers to be distinct from money, as they would be destroyed upon first use and serve more as a "credit" for labor, and would eliminate the concept of accumulation of money from labor exploitation and exchange.

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                I am aware of this. It's functionally no different than a dollar bill. The fact that I intend to melt down an axe after I use it to chop a tree down doesn't make it not an axehead. If I used that same axe to hack my neighbor to death, well, that's a completely different use. In the case of communist 'money', I think we would cease using money to kill our neighbor.

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                  I don't do it either, but i'm an older queer so i see it as painting a target on my back.

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                  That, too. Things have regressed, it is definitely a target now.

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                    I am aware of this. It's functionally no different than a dollar bill. The fact that I intend to melt down an axe after I use it to chop a tree down doesn't make it not an axehead. If I used that same axe to hack my neighbor to death, well, that's a completely different use. In the case of communist 'money', I think we would cease using money to kill our neighbor.

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                    I don't understand how the issues of money persist if you can only earn LVs through labor. Why would you kill your neighbor?

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                      Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                      I'm centrist so I probably believe in something that offends both sides.

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                        I don't understand how the issues of money persist if you can only earn LVs through labor. Why would you kill your neighbor?

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                        I wouldn't kill my neighbor? Was that too complicated an example? I think that money, like an axe, is a tool that can be used differently in different contexts. 'Money' isn't the issue. How it's used is the issue, which is why I think we would invent it. You don't solve the 'issues' of an axe. You don't solve the 'issues' of money. Capitalism uses stand-ins for value to harm people, but I am not convinced it's an inherent trait of value stand-ins. I think LV's are money, so I think you think that is true also.

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                          I believe in the possibility of bigfoot being real.

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                          Seeing as people have pushed out to every tiny corner of the country if it exists they would've found physical remains by now.

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                            I wouldn't kill my neighbor? Was that too complicated an example? I think that money, like an axe, is a tool that can be used differently in different contexts. 'Money' isn't the issue. How it's used is the issue, which is why I think we would invent it. You don't solve the 'issues' of an axe. You don't solve the 'issues' of money. Capitalism uses stand-ins for value to harm people, but I am not convinced it's an inherent trait of value stand-ins. I think LV's are money, so I think you think that is true also.

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                            I'm asking what's wrong with money that carries over to LVs. Why is money an issue?

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                              That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.

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                              The left has become so focused on illegal immigrants and identity politics that they have abandoned working class economic issues and rural white voters and it has cost them elections.

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                                Can't care about your neigbors when you still have to worry about your own mouth to feed.

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                                When you look at revolutions the tipping point was always the threat of going hungry and losing your home. That makes everyone desperate.

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                                  I think if we eliminated money, we would just invent it again and call it something else.

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                                  Well yah. The alternative is barter and farmers only need so many cell phones and software developers.

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                                    That intellectual property, both copyright or patents, doesn't serve its theoretical purpose and just acts as a legal shield for the monopolies of big corporations, at least in our capitalistic system, and it limits the spread of information

                                    In theory, a musician should be protected against abuse of their music. In practice, all musicians need to be on Spotify through one of the few main publishers to make any decent money, and their music will be used for unintended purposes (intended for their contract at least) like AI training

                                    In theory, patents should allow a small company with an idea to sell its progressive product to many big corporations. In practice, one big corporation will either buy the small company or copy the product and have the money to legally support its case against all evidence, lobbying to change laws too. Not to mention that big corporations are the ones that can do enough research to have relevant patents, it's much harder for universities and SMEs, not to mention big corporations can lobby to reduce public funding to R&D programs in universities and for SMEs.

                                    And, last but not least important, access to content, think of politically relevant movies or book, depends on your income. If you are from a poorer country, chances are you cannot enjoy as much information and content as one born in a richer country.

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                                    In theory, a musician should be protected against abuse of their music.

                                    You mean like with copyright (IP) laws?

                                    Patents and copyright originated to protect everyone. Charles Dickens complained that his books were rampantly copied. Without them any invention by the little guy would be immediately stolen and ramped up into production at levels the little guy can never match. Why would I work on anything if it can just be stolen with no legal protection? Universities and SMEs constantly issue patents, if they can't commercialize them themselves they can license them to someone who can.

                                    chances are you cannot enjoy as much information and content as one born in a richer country.

                                    What? The internet is full of free info.

                                    The real issues are things like:

                                    1. Insanely long copyright periods. Sorry but your grandkids/Disney shouldn't profit from your work. 70+ years later.

                                    2. Patent camping. Either do something with it or lose it.

                                    3. Patent lawsuit factories. The patent office makes money off of fees and is too quick to hand out patents that are overly broad or trivial. You have business that just hoard patents with no intention to use them except to sue others.

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                                      Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                                      We should try harder to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, sometimes taxation is necessary and sometimes it's beneficial even if we don't factor in revenue, people will sometimes make decisions that are so bad that we have a moral obligation to intervene in order to protect them from the most disastrous outcomes

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                                        Where in the definition of leftism is it said that leftism is unpopular?

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                                        it's manifested in our reality; only the liberal branch of leftism is permitted (particularly in the united states) while the other branches are openly denigrated by moderates and rightists alike and persecuted by our governments and militias.

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                                          I'm really appreciating how much restraint y'all guys are showing with the downvotes. Thanks everyone.

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                                          I'm a pro-downvote extremist and you've just made an enemy for life

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