6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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Make the jump to Linux and loose 90% of the games you play as well. If all you play is steam games and don't care about many that can't be played then sure.
I get the appeal. But windows 11 is the same thing as 10.Pretty much, 1% of games don't work on Linux and its the top 1% most popular games
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Have you ever seen how to draw a circle in GIMP?
I think torrenting a copy of Photoshop would be faster than drawing a circle in GIMP
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Can anyone recommend a distro (and desktop environment?) that's going to be almost the same as desktop mode on the Steam deck? I'm getting more comfortable in that than I expected to be in any Linux, and to my surprise and delight I haven't had to delve into the command line at all yet.
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Can I ask how you got Win11? And are we talking MS feature bloat or third party stuff? I had Micro Center build my PC so it didn’t come from a manufacturer. There doesn’t seem to be any third party bloat, besides the occasional fucking ad for an app in the Start menu.
The ads for apps, Xbox games, trial versions of Office preinstalled, the minesweeper and solitaire collection that are preinstalled but actually ad supported or non-free, depending on the region spotify/TikTok/Facebook also come preinstalled, "Movies & TV", Bing/MS News...
I think all of those count as bloat. I haven't included Edge because I guess having a browser is a necessity, or copilot/cortana because you said "excluding AI features".
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Unless you're using NVIDIA. Didn't work out of the box for me and required a couple hours of fiddling. Mint worked seamlessly.
Manjaro with KDE Plasma has been working pretty flawlessly with an nvidia card for me.
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I have personally been using Linux for a few years now and I absolutely love it, however a lot of people will switch to Linux and be extremely disappointed. If you're going into Linux expecting an open source Windows clone you'll be solely mistaken. If you want an operating system that looks and works exactly like W11 youll be better off installing W11 and using something like classic shell. However if you're willing to accept that its a completely different OS (so it naturally will work differently and have different software) then go ahead.
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If you can install another driver onto the computer, you can put Linux on that and kept the windows OS still, in case you need it. This is dual booting. You chose which OS you want when booting up.
Is this something that's relatively fool proof to do? I'm very good at imagining disasters. That's the big mental block I got when I thought about dual booting before.
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I went with Mint but I'm thinking about KDE (or maybe KDE flavored Arch? Idk I'm new) on my second computer. Pretty painless?
I went to Manjaro (Arch) with KDE from Mint about 5 months ago, and it's been nearly flawless, allowed me to easily install a real time processing kernel for audio production, and it's run every game I've thrown at it better than Winblows.
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The approach isn’t what became a joke, it was the absolutely unhinged way in which it was presented.
Oh sure, it was crazy. But the sentiment behind it was good. It's like how Howard Dean got dunked on for his scream.
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I spent a couple hours trying to get Baldur's Gate 3 running on Linux. It was rough but I got it to run at 1440 but the latency made it sort of unplayable. It runs great in Windows 10 at 4k with the default settings. I have some other windows-only software so I guess I'm going to "upgrade" all my computers that are able to do so but I don't feel good about it. All my computers dual boot windows/linux, I would love to be linux-only.
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For now yes but when a zero day is found 1 guy could literally take down every single 10 install and Microsoft won’t be bothered to fix it
I mean... That could happen to Windows11 and be almost as catastrophic even if Microsoft does eventually fix it.
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IIRC W11 share is barely near W10 and they are already forcing it out and crapton of perfectly usable hardware, if it is not planned obsolescence i don't know what it is? Fuck microsoft!
I want to point out, planned obsolescence only really applies to their surface offerings.
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I gave Linux Mint a try last week when I received the news about the obligatory MS account for W11. Not that I'll "upgrade" to W11 but anyway.
Very smooth installation experience. The OS and software like Steam, Brave, Nvidia drivers and some audio & video stuff installed through the package control in no time. I could actually work with it.
Half of my game library is made only for W though. Or the small blocker things like GTA V that works well in Mint in story mode, the Battleye thing won't start of course, so expect no GTA Online in Mint either.
I think I'll keep Linux Mint and Windows under dual boot and use Windows only when necessary. Or run W10 in a virtual box in Mint
.I was able to run SimTower on Linux. I haven't tried SimCoopter, but there are so many bugs in that game it likely won't work lol
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I find this interesting as I'm a beginner with only about 3 months of Linux use under my belt, whereas Ive used Windows since I was like 5 years old. I was originally recommended Mint, like many are, and I found the experience to be a negative one as opposed to my later experience with Debian. (Note I have no experience with Bazzite or any other distros).
The additional 'bloat' in Mint obfuscated from me various aspects of Linux. It insulated me from learning how Linux is different from Windows, and that actually hindered me from understanding the OS. By starting with Debian I got a feel for using the CLI, setting up my drivers, package installer, and desktop environment. And, while those aspects can be complicated for new users, i think its somewhat necessary if its going to be recommended them as their OS.
Debian is fine as an introduction to Linux, if that's what you want. But, as a beginner, you're going to screw up, and Debian doesn't do anything to protect you from that.
Atomic distributions let you use Linux but make it harder to shoot yourself in the foot. It's much harder to break the system in a way you can't just reboot to fix it.
It all depends on what your goal is. If your goal is to learn Linux by using it, then by all means, go for a traditional distribution. Debian is nice, but I'd go for Ubuntu. But, if your goal is to have a stable system that you can't screw up as a beginner I'd go with an atomic distribution. If your goal is to play games, Bazzite is hard to beat.
You can still learn Linux if you use an atomic distribution. Configuring and using the desktop environment is basically the same. But, you don't need to worry about your drivers, and you don't install packages the traditional way. If you want to learn those things, you can run a VM or a distrobox.
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Sticking with 10 for a bit, moving to Linux
Ditto. They are stopping support, but I highly doubt they will just brick all Windows 10 machines. If they do, I will just throw Linux on a flash drive and boot from that to recover my data ahead of switching fully to Linux.
I remember seeing a leaked paper about them putting an omnipresent advertising ticket at the top of the screen that will be displayed regardless of full screen status. The only reason I can think that they are forcing this so hard is that a lot of their forced ad servicing plans are not possible to implement in earlier versions of Windows due to root level functionality that cannot be changed. I'm guessing things like direct injection of ads in running processes or that ticker.
Ads have no place in an OS, especially not as kernel level processes. If ads on the internet have taught us anything, it is that bad actors can inject malicious code directly into them without content servers or hosts knowing and compromise untold numbers of machines who just, let me check, rendered the ad.
Between the aggressive plans for in OS advertising and the privacy abolishing actions and policies with AI datascraping, I am done with MS. Windows 10 will be the last one of theit OS's I run. If work needs me to do something on Windows, it will be on a virtual machine that I remote into.
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Running an EoL operating system is surely what you want to do with your personal dat-
Aaaaaaand it's been compromised
It’s windows users were talking about here, data security is not exactly top of mind. But maybe many of them are about to find out it should be…
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+1 for Bazzite. It has just enough guard rails to keep you from (easily) making your system unusable while still providing more freedom than windows. Install is cake. Literally clear a drive or partition for your OS and storage, download it, and you're off to the races.
just make sure to always check your build against protondb For games to see if there are any special run commands to put into steam, and you will be golden.Would I fuck myself over by putting it on a partition on the same drive as my Windows install? It's my fastest hard drive, but I can't just immediately give up everything I have on Windows.
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In what world is a Debian base not beginner friendly my fiancé that could barely use windows is using it just fine
Has your fiancé had to update drivers? Has he had to upgrade to a new release? Has he had to figure out how to install a version of something that isn't in the Debian stable repositories?
If the only application your fiancé uses is Firefox, then he might go a long time before having any kind of problem. It all depends on how he uses it.
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Ditto. They are stopping support, but I highly doubt they will just brick all Windows 10 machines. If they do, I will just throw Linux on a flash drive and boot from that to recover my data ahead of switching fully to Linux.
I remember seeing a leaked paper about them putting an omnipresent advertising ticket at the top of the screen that will be displayed regardless of full screen status. The only reason I can think that they are forcing this so hard is that a lot of their forced ad servicing plans are not possible to implement in earlier versions of Windows due to root level functionality that cannot be changed. I'm guessing things like direct injection of ads in running processes or that ticker.
Ads have no place in an OS, especially not as kernel level processes. If ads on the internet have taught us anything, it is that bad actors can inject malicious code directly into them without content servers or hosts knowing and compromise untold numbers of machines who just, let me check, rendered the ad.
Between the aggressive plans for in OS advertising and the privacy abolishing actions and policies with AI datascraping, I am done with MS. Windows 10 will be the last one of theit OS's I run. If work needs me to do something on Windows, it will be on a virtual machine that I remote into.
They won't brick it, but you can bet that a lot of people are sitting on unreleased 0-days for win10. It will likely be dangerous to connect to the internet on day 1.
