6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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Man, I really tried today to get Linux on my Framework laptop.
I can't believe how goddamn frustrating the experience has been, and I've dabbled in Linux for decades.
I try Mint. Install as a dual boot... Installation done. Reboot. Straight into Windows. Check partitions and nothing has changed.
Try again. All seems fine. Boot. Some error screen that won't let me get into Mint.
Do this like four more times with no luck.
Tried Ubuntu. No easy way to install as a dual boot unless I want to mess around with custom paritions. Also, GNOME sucks ass, but Ubuntu seems way more polished than Mint.
I did get mint on a mini PC I have running through my TV. But audio wasn't working, so that took a while to sort out. And the onscreen keyboard does nothing on the lock screen. So unpolished, and I have no idea why it's recommended "for beginners" when it feels unfinished.
With windows, there's no messing around. Everything just works. And I fucking hate that I feel forced to choose a miserable, hacky, terminal-based experience with countless hours of installing shit through commands... Or a smooth, reliable, easy one with bloatware and spying on the backend. Goddammit!
Yeah with Linux if it doesn't work you're often just screwed.
I can recommend a rolling release distro, having the latest and greatest can sometimes give you bugfixes that are critical for your setup. It can also break stuff but nothing a rollback won't fix.
Another reason to prefer rolling release is the upgrade path. For Ubuntu upgrading is just awful when you do any tinkering. I ran Kubuntu 20.04 for a while and because I had some custom package sources installed it wouldn't let me upgrade to 24.04. Nobody could help, and the package manager is awful it doesn't let you trace which packages are blocking the upgrade.
I'm kind of miffed that everyone is recommending mint as a starter distro because as soon as they start looking for guides on how to tinker there is a high chance they are going to make their system un-upgradable.
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Awesome, thanks for the explanation! I'd been put off Bazzite and other immutable distros because I had seen threads saying you basically needed flatpak for everything, but it sounds like that's not true.
I don't need a project at the moment but I will give this a go once I am ready for one!
Yeah, I only use flatpak for GUI apps that don't need any special handling. To be fair, that's a decent number of the things I use most often: Firefox, Thunderbird, Signal, Kodi, Discord, Gimp, VLC. I think it's also how I installed some themes for KDE / Plasma.
Console stuff I've either done in a distrobox using the conventions of that OS (apt for the Ubuntu one, DNF for the Fedora one), or I've used homebrew. But, I haven't used too much homebrew because I want my "normal" console to be as unchanged as possible.
There are a few things I've used distrobox-export to make available outside the distrobox.
It took me a little while to understand how you're supposed to think about the system, but now that I think I get it, I really like it. My one frustration is that there's an nVidia driver bug that's affecting me, and nVidia has been unable to fix it for a few months. I think I'd be in exactly the same situation with a traditional distro. The difference is that if they ever fix it, I'll have to wait a couple of weeks until the fix makes it to the Bazzite stable build. I suppose I could switch to Bazzite testing and get it within days of it being fixed instead of weeks. Apparently just use a "rebase" command and reboot. But, I'm hesitant to do that because other than the nVidia driver, everything's so stable.
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Whatd you jump to?
Took some time to settle, for various reasons, but I'm currently on Fedora Silverblue.
I tried some of its derivatives (Aurora, Bazzite), as well as OpenSuse, but came back to Fedora and Gnome because of various issue with KDE and OpenSuse asking for root password everywhere.
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I have a small laptop that I'm testing this stuff out on before I put together a new computer from parts I ordered before the tariffs took effect.
My top pick right now is fedora silverblue, I'm running it on my test bed/server and I've been impressed
I'm running bazzite on my main one, which is related but geared towards steam and maximizing game support, it's pretty good and closer to "just works" for any kind of gaming device, it's less polished but it's still pretty good
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My priorities are being able to run Davinci resolve and Steam games. Nobara ticks those boxes while advertising itself as user friendly. I have heard too many stories of people having trouble getting this stuff running on something like Linux mint, so I didn't go in that direction. I need to do more with my computer than just view web sites or write code.
Where are you getting these distros from? Most popular distros do more than "just view websites or write code."
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Man, I really tried today to get Linux on my Framework laptop.
I can't believe how goddamn frustrating the experience has been, and I've dabbled in Linux for decades.
I try Mint. Install as a dual boot... Installation done. Reboot. Straight into Windows. Check partitions and nothing has changed.
Try again. All seems fine. Boot. Some error screen that won't let me get into Mint.
Do this like four more times with no luck.
Tried Ubuntu. No easy way to install as a dual boot unless I want to mess around with custom paritions. Also, GNOME sucks ass, but Ubuntu seems way more polished than Mint.
I did get mint on a mini PC I have running through my TV. But audio wasn't working, so that took a while to sort out. And the onscreen keyboard does nothing on the lock screen. So unpolished, and I have no idea why it's recommended "for beginners" when it feels unfinished.
With windows, there's no messing around. Everything just works. And I fucking hate that I feel forced to choose a miserable, hacky, terminal-based experience with countless hours of installing shit through commands... Or a smooth, reliable, easy one with bloatware and spying on the backend. Goddammit!
Had the completly oposite experience: mint installed in 2 hours with everything working. No bloatware, no bullshit.
Biggest obstacle was, that changing the device bootorder is nog enough- uefi seetings needed some love to. I can imagine that this is not necessery if you do not use dual boot ( like win....talking about experience...)For me everything works perfect- mint is my primary os now
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Linux doesn't support VR.
ALVR isn't awful. I needed new hardware and bit the bullet knowing I was likely going to lose VR, but with the hardware upgrade, it's nicer in the new machine (Bazzite, 7900XT) than the old (Win 10, 2080 Super Max Q). Definitely not a drop in replacement yet though.
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I'm already on Linux, gaming isn't as good but I only play old games anyway so it doesn't matter.
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Unfortunately, any app that needs a GPU would be difficult to work with in a VM. You have to manually set up GPU-passthru, which requires figuring out the PCI addresses and whatnot of your card, along with using a terminal. As I understand it, this process also prevents you from using that GPU outside of the VM, which is cruddy.
I was hoping to have a Linux Mint + Windows 11 VM back in January, but that didn't work out. I am hoping that the upcoming SteamOS Desktop would make Linux friendly enough for games that aren't native to Steam, such as my GOG collection, Window 3.1 stuff like Stars!, modding, and assorted Japanese locale games.
I am hoping that the upcoming SteamOS Desktop would make Linux friendly enough for games that aren't native to Steam, such as my GOG collection
You can just add those to steam or use a launcher like heroic.
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Been on linux for years :3
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Yeah, I only use flatpak for GUI apps that don't need any special handling. To be fair, that's a decent number of the things I use most often: Firefox, Thunderbird, Signal, Kodi, Discord, Gimp, VLC. I think it's also how I installed some themes for KDE / Plasma.
Console stuff I've either done in a distrobox using the conventions of that OS (apt for the Ubuntu one, DNF for the Fedora one), or I've used homebrew. But, I haven't used too much homebrew because I want my "normal" console to be as unchanged as possible.
There are a few things I've used distrobox-export to make available outside the distrobox.
It took me a little while to understand how you're supposed to think about the system, but now that I think I get it, I really like it. My one frustration is that there's an nVidia driver bug that's affecting me, and nVidia has been unable to fix it for a few months. I think I'd be in exactly the same situation with a traditional distro. The difference is that if they ever fix it, I'll have to wait a couple of weeks until the fix makes it to the Bazzite stable build. I suppose I could switch to Bazzite testing and get it within days of it being fixed instead of weeks. Apparently just use a "rebase" command and reboot. But, I'm hesitant to do that because other than the nVidia driver, everything's so stable.
Lucky for me I don't have any Nvidia so things sail a bit smoother.
Thanks for all the advice
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Man, I really tried today to get Linux on my Framework laptop.
I can't believe how goddamn frustrating the experience has been, and I've dabbled in Linux for decades.
I try Mint. Install as a dual boot... Installation done. Reboot. Straight into Windows. Check partitions and nothing has changed.
Try again. All seems fine. Boot. Some error screen that won't let me get into Mint.
Do this like four more times with no luck.
Tried Ubuntu. No easy way to install as a dual boot unless I want to mess around with custom paritions. Also, GNOME sucks ass, but Ubuntu seems way more polished than Mint.
I did get mint on a mini PC I have running through my TV. But audio wasn't working, so that took a while to sort out. And the onscreen keyboard does nothing on the lock screen. So unpolished, and I have no idea why it's recommended "for beginners" when it feels unfinished.
With windows, there's no messing around. Everything just works. And I fucking hate that I feel forced to choose a miserable, hacky, terminal-based experience with countless hours of installing shit through commands... Or a smooth, reliable, easy one with bloatware and spying on the backend. Goddammit!
Your experience is not invalid, but It's fucked up that you're giving Windows credit for "just working" when Windows doesn't even try to support dual booting. In fact the reason Linux is having so much trouble is because it has to tiptoe so that Windows doesn't break.
If you don't like Gnome or Mint Cinnamon, why not try KDE? Something like Kubuntu, perhaps? I use Fedora KDE myself.
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Me too! I upgraded to Fedora Linux. It's amazing how everything just works, even all the games I play.
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No way I'm switching to Linux yet, multi monitors support with mixed resolutions and vrr on nvidia still kinda sucks. As soon as someone makes that work I'll try it out on a separate partition. Buy last time I tried my other monitors had all kinds of issues when I had games open with gysnc
Dual mon with diff res works as expected here. I even have different hz I think
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Man, I really tried today to get Linux on my Framework laptop.
I can't believe how goddamn frustrating the experience has been, and I've dabbled in Linux for decades.
I try Mint. Install as a dual boot... Installation done. Reboot. Straight into Windows. Check partitions and nothing has changed.
Try again. All seems fine. Boot. Some error screen that won't let me get into Mint.
Do this like four more times with no luck.
Tried Ubuntu. No easy way to install as a dual boot unless I want to mess around with custom paritions. Also, GNOME sucks ass, but Ubuntu seems way more polished than Mint.
I did get mint on a mini PC I have running through my TV. But audio wasn't working, so that took a while to sort out. And the onscreen keyboard does nothing on the lock screen. So unpolished, and I have no idea why it's recommended "for beginners" when it feels unfinished.
With windows, there's no messing around. Everything just works. And I fucking hate that I feel forced to choose a miserable, hacky, terminal-based experience with countless hours of installing shit through commands... Or a smooth, reliable, easy one with bloatware and spying on the backend. Goddammit!
Gonna be a useless recommend, but try Fedora or Bazzite (Fedora Silverblue gaming with tweaks to make it easier).
I've had some friends with similar complaints about Mint having one off issues with hardware, which is usually because its downstream Ubuntu which means kernel support can be all over the place.
Fedora is probably best bang for buck in latest stable release without entering the realm of unstable rolling like Arch. Really the only thing I've found that it lacks is more varied support for ARM boards out of box and a cross compile package for ARM from x86.
By default it does have a slightly annoying repo setup because software that isn't FOSS ends up on RPMFusion which you have to enable as a user, which is why I suggest Bazzite, which also uses the immutable Linux design which makes it much easier to prevent from breaking or fixing by rolling back a change.
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You're right, it's really hard to fill the shoes of someone who abuses their power and position to try to hook up with women.
Not that hard unfortunately. I'm sure someone up to the task can fill his shoes no problem
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Jumped to linux for a test on an old laptop, currently on windows on my main PC but got parts on the way for a new build that's going to be Linux.
