6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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Most people won't budge. It doesn't matter if Win10 is unsupported or isn't getting a security update, I reckon a solid 40 of 43% will just stay on it until programs they use stop working.
Yep, I feel like people overestimate how much anyone cares about official support or security patches or whatever. People will assume it's fine until they're either forced out or something goes horribly wrong.
Regular folks will most likely let it be if possible, until it's time for a new PC anyway.
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Most people won't budge. It doesn't matter if Win10 is unsupported or isn't getting a security update, I reckon a solid 40 of 43% will just stay on it until programs they use stop working.
Windows 10 ltsc massgrave.dev
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Can anyone recommend a distro (and desktop environment?) that's going to be almost the same as desktop mode on the Steam deck? I'm getting more comfortable in that than I expected to be in any Linux, and to my surprise and delight I haven't had to delve into the command line at all yet.
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I'm somewhat open to the idea, but the thought of messing up and not having any computer other than my phone until i figure it out is tough to get over.
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Already did and it's glorious! Steam works beautifully and the only final thing that I'm missing is Adobe products.
I completely disagree. Debian is not beginner-friendly. Go with Bazzite if your focus is gaming.
It is a gaming-focused distribution. It's also an "atomic" distribution, which basically means it's really hard to break it. It's more like Android or IOS where the OS and base system are managed by someone else. They're read-only so you can't accidentally break them.
For example, instead of trying to manage your own video card drivers, they come packaged with the base system image, and they're tested to make sure they work with all the other base components.
I've been using Linux since the 1990s, so I've run my share of distributions: Slackware, RedHat, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. Even for someone experienced, atomic distributions are great. But, for a newcomer they're so much better.
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Yep, I feel like people overestimate how much anyone cares about official support or security patches or whatever. People will assume it's fine until they're either forced out or something goes horribly wrong.
Regular folks will most likely let it be if possible, until it's time for a new PC anyway.
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Sticking with 10 for a bit, moving to Linux
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Isn't that exactly what's happening as soon as you install win11?
Security wise 11 is better
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Isn't that exactly what's happening as soon as you install win11?
To be fair, plenty of telemetry is still being sent by Microsoft in Windows 10. It's not as bad as 11 though.
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Right?
I never understand why people are so obsessed with not getting updates. They usually just break everything and bloat the OS.
"But my security!" OS updates are going to protect you from 99% of the bad actors out there. They do nothing against social engineering. They don't make you use strong passwords. Most of the security flaws OS updates are addressing are the kinda of attacks that only state actors or organized crime rings have the resources and abilities to exploit.
Governments? Heck yeah they need to be concerned. Large enterprises? Definitely. Small businesses? Eh it's probably for the best to protect your livelihood even if you aren't the juiciest target. But for an individual using their PC for gaming, social media, streaming content, online shopping, etc... The cost-benefit analysis is different.
It's not different from physical security. Theres a reason you don't need to go through TSA to get on a bus.
For now yes but when a zero day is found 1 guy could literally take down every single 10 install and Microsoft won’t be bothered to fix it
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I completely disagree. Debian is not beginner-friendly. Go with Bazzite if your focus is gaming.
It is a gaming-focused distribution. It's also an "atomic" distribution, which basically means it's really hard to break it. It's more like Android or IOS where the OS and base system are managed by someone else. They're read-only so you can't accidentally break them.
For example, instead of trying to manage your own video card drivers, they come packaged with the base system image, and they're tested to make sure they work with all the other base components.
I've been using Linux since the 1990s, so I've run my share of distributions: Slackware, RedHat, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. Even for someone experienced, atomic distributions are great. But, for a newcomer they're so much better.
I find this interesting as I'm a beginner with only about 3 months of Linux use under my belt, whereas Ive used Windows since I was like 5 years old. I was originally recommended Mint, like many are, and I found the experience to be a negative one as opposed to my later experience with Debian. (Note I have no experience with Bazzite or any other distros).
The additional 'bloat' in Mint obfuscated from me various aspects of Linux. It insulated me from learning how Linux is different from Windows, and that actually hindered me from understanding the OS. By starting with Debian I got a feel for using the CLI, setting up my drivers, package installer, and desktop environment. And, while those aspects can be complicated for new users, i think its somewhat necessary if its going to be recommended them as their OS.
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Can anyone recommend a distro (and desktop environment?) that's going to be almost the same as desktop mode on the Steam deck? I'm getting more comfortable in that than I expected to be in any Linux, and to my surprise and delight I haven't had to delve into the command line at all yet.
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I completely disagree. Debian is not beginner-friendly. Go with Bazzite if your focus is gaming.
It is a gaming-focused distribution. It's also an "atomic" distribution, which basically means it's really hard to break it. It's more like Android or IOS where the OS and base system are managed by someone else. They're read-only so you can't accidentally break them.
For example, instead of trying to manage your own video card drivers, they come packaged with the base system image, and they're tested to make sure they work with all the other base components.
I've been using Linux since the 1990s, so I've run my share of distributions: Slackware, RedHat, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. Even for someone experienced, atomic distributions are great. But, for a newcomer they're so much better.
In what world is a Debian base not beginner friendly my fiancé that could barely use windows is using it just fine
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IIRC W11 share is barely near W10 and they are already forcing it out and crapton of perfectly usable hardware, if it is not planned obsolescence i don't know what it is? Fuck microsoft!
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The steam deck uses KDE Plasma 5 as its desktop environment, so anything that uses that should feel very similar. I recommend bazzite if familiarity is something that would appeal to you.
+1 for Bazzite. It has just enough guard rails to keep you from (easily) making your system unusable while still providing more freedom than windows. Install is cake. Literally clear a drive or partition for your OS and storage, download it, and you're off to the races.
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Security wise 11 is better
Depends on how you define security.
Is win11 more cryptographically secure, absolutely.
Does that matter if you don't trust the holder of the keys (the Microsoft keys stored in the tpm) not really.
implementing a more secure platform doesn't mean much if the only way you are doing it is by handing over control to a third party.
Would you trust a better lock on your front door if it meant a proven bad actor was the one who could unlock it?
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I'm somewhat open to the idea, but the thought of messing up and not having any computer other than my phone until i figure it out is tough to get over.
If you can install another driver onto the computer, you can put Linux on that and kept the windows OS still, in case you need it. This is dual booting. You chose which OS you want when booting up.
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Depends on how you define security.
Is win11 more cryptographically secure, absolutely.
Does that matter if you don't trust the holder of the keys (the Microsoft keys stored in the tpm) not really.
implementing a more secure platform doesn't mean much if the only way you are doing it is by handing over control to a third party.
Would you trust a better lock on your front door if it meant a proven bad actor was the one who could unlock it?
For the avg person why not trust them I’m not too worried about what they can collect on an average person I use Linux personally so I’m not shilling for Ms but 11 will keep out more hackers then 10 cause I wouldn’t be worried about them stealing my card info but a hacker yes i would be
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I went with Mint but I'm thinking about KDE (or maybe KDE flavored Arch? Idk I'm new) on my second computer. Pretty painless?
Eh Arch can be quite stable if you're careful, but it could also be a frustrating experience, there's lots of manual configuration
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Bought a new PC and switched from dual boot Win10/Linux to Linux only. All of the games I'm playing work well, so no need for Windows 11
