Which instances have the most diverse points of view?
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I don't think using the guy who thought economic planning was impossible because there's no way an individual person can plan an entire economy by themselves is a good representation of a valid viewpoint. Like, Mises had a comedically awful conception of Socialist economics from square one.
As for Communism, the State can only be abolished fully when class antagonisms are abolished, and such a status can only occur when everyone across the globe equally owns all property across the globe (or as close to that as is possible). Until then, however, there will be classes, and thus a state, so you can't just get rid of the state outright unless you wish to return to hunter-gatherer style economics, or if you are okay with classes in your conception of Communism by turning everyone into petite bourgeoisie, equal owners but within their own communes exclusively.
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They try to be anarchists but they're mostly from western countries so they have permanent programming they refuse to shake off (i.e. calling anyone that doesn't think eurocentric anarchism is the only real left wing ideology a tankie.). Compared to .world's Hillary Clinton though they're like Marx.
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It's emotional times so I understand that rationality ends up taking a back seat in the mind. I hope you're right!
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"Opinions are like arseholes", but when you've seen 1,000 very similar arseholes you're probably going to want to see some different ones.
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We have to be the change we want to see
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Capitalism can't even exist without the state to enclose the commons and maintain and enforce the legal framework of private property.
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I had a much better experience with Reddit than a lot of people express. Of course that all changed that year and half ago. But my point is that I was deep into a world of intellectualism on Reddit that I have not found since it was wrecked. I have found Lemmy to be an infant version of that.
It is hard to find communities like I had, if there is any activity in my interests at all. I have not found a news feed as quick as the ones I followed on Reddit if any feed at all. Information sourcing and original content almost never happen. The politics are highly tribal and intellectual here. The science barely exists. The hobbies and special interests have little to no activity. I only have the app on my phone to look for a quick read.
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I just want to point out how thoroughly dominated you were in this argument. Your ability to argue a point is almost as feeble as your historical understanding of socialism.
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I wasn't trying to win an argument. I was posting on my phone. Stop taking the internet so seriously that you think this shit matters.
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"Haha, I was just posting! Not arguing! Stop taking the 20 serious comments I made seriously!!"
