Which instances have the most diverse points of view?

[13esq@lemmy.world]

Since Trump, I'm finding the Lemmy.world experience to be increasingly akin to an echo chamber and it's quite frankly starting to bore me. (Inb4, I'm a left winger and I don't like Trump, but I'm much more interested in a good spirited debate or novel points of view than I am in Orange man Nazi circle jerks)

If I wanted the same repetitive comments to be upvoted and any different opinion at all to be downvoted and even blocked/banned, I'd have just stayed on Reddit.

Are there any instances where different, opposing and novel points of view are celebrated and debated rather than simply derided?

[readmorebooks@lemmy.zip]

Register and account on another instance that passes the litmus test of federation with .ml and hexbear. Block .world on that new account. Don't block all those instances .world told you to blindly hate.

[otter@lemmy.ca]

You might be better off looking for a community where the moderation optimizes for that kind of discussion (ex. Removing low effort comments, requiring citations, academic oriented, etc). It's harder to find an entire instance that matches those points, but there should be a few communities like that

Then you can use the subscribed feed only, or block the communities you don't like

[glide@lemmy.ca]

Your best bet is to be in a lot of instances. My experiences so far is that basically any singular instance has its bias', and while some unapologetically ban users for disagreeing with them, the ones that don't still down vote for disagreeing with them.

While one of these forms of censorship is worse than the other, it's all censorship, and the only way to see a variety of views is to stay in the varying instances.

[perogiboi@lemmy.ca]

You could just go to another site that is more Trump friendly, such as Reddit, Twitter, Truth Social, or Stormfront.

[ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com]

That’s a good idea!

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

No single instance has very "broad" POVs, however some instances are federated more broadly and thus get more points of view. To that end, Lemm.ee and Lemmy.ml are much more diverse than Lemmy.world, which is defederated from the major instances with large populations of Marxists.

[timlovestech@badatbeing.social]

I think you are going to have a hard time finding a place to talk with a group that overall deals in bad faith arguments and hate speech. They also tend to silo themselves off to their own platforms over concerns that their hate speech gets them moderated (because Free Speech != does not mean speech without consequences or needs to be tolerated by everyone).

If you really want to see the MAGA "point of view" you are probably better off going to them on Truth Social, Gab, 4chan, The_Donald, etc.

[13esq@lemmy.world]

Thanks for this. Will definitely check out those instances.

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

No problem! If you're looking for right-wing viewpoints, you can already see them from a Lemmy.world account, they usually hang out either on Lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works, it's more the Leftists that Lemmy.world censors from your view.

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

Closest I can think of is Hexbear's News Megathread, but it isn't really for debate, just analysis of current events. Is there a comm like that elsewhere?

[drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml]

The only important thing, really, is that the instance you choose doesn't defederate with other instances for political reasons (except being literal Nazi instances). I find that lemm.ee users have a good mix of political expression ranging from Marxists to Moderate Conservatives. An account there, on lemmy.zip, or lemmy.ml is probably your best bet.

[azzu@lemm.ee]

Yep, as long as you don't visit "local" and no instances are defederated, you simply get the whole fediverse, there isn't any other experience available at that point.

[13esq@lemmy.world]

This is kind of the derision that I'm talking about. (I am assuming that you are talking about the right wing). Whilst there is some truth to it, you disagreeing with them doesn't mean that it isn't interesting, or worthy of discussion or debate.

I do agree that hate speech should be banned and that isn't what I'm interested in.

I'm not interested in the MAGA point of view per se, I'm interested in a diverse spectrum of opinions that reflect a real cross section of society, where undoubtedly some of them will be MAGA people.

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

.world is very liberal, it isn't really accurate to call it "left leaning." You aren't going to find many MAGA people on the fediverse.

[13esq@lemmy.world]

In the UK there is some similarity between liberal and left wing ideas, despite them being distinct political groups. Liberalism was originally seen as very left wing, a lot of people are now arguing that there is more in common with right wing politics, small state and such.

I'd say my experience here has been much more left wing than liberal though, just my opinion.

[timlovestech@badatbeing.social]

The issue is that you can't have discussion or debate with:

1. statements in bad faith
2. statements not based on reality (conspiracy theories/misinformation/"alternative facts"

So the issue is once you have removed those, you aren't left with many people holding a very broad spectrum of viewpoints outside of niche topics (Vi vs Emacs).

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

Liberalism was only "left" when Capitalism was progressive, which was only true in comparison to Monarchism and Feudalism. Liberalism is a firmly Capitalist ideology, while Socialism is leftist.

[nabdad@lemmy.world]

Do people do good, spirited debates anymore? Most of what I see would be more akin to wrestling a pig.

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

Debating online is largely useless for convincing the other party. Sometimes onlookers learn, but if it's a debate neither party usually concedes. Education works, ie someone asking for more information, but that's about it.