Lemmy be like
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It appears good and cheap. But it's actually burning money, energy and water like crazy.
I think somebody mentioned to generate a 10 second video, it's the equivalent in energy consumption as driving a bike for 100km.It's not sustainable.
I think the thing the person above you is referring to is if we ever manage to make LLMs and such which can be run locally on a phone or laptop with good results. That would make people experiment and try out things themselves, instead of being dependent on paying monthly for some services that can change anytime.You and OP are misunderstanding what is meant by good and cheap.
It's not cheap from a resource perspective like you say. However that is irrelevant for the end user. It's "cheap" already because it is either free or costs considerably less for the user than the cost of the resources used. OpenAI or Meta or Twitter are paying the cost. You do not need to pay for a monthly subscription to use AI.
So the quality of the content created is not limited by cost.
If the AI bubble popped, this won't improve AI quality.
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It appears good and cheap. But it's actually burning money, energy and water like crazy.
I think somebody mentioned to generate a 10 second video, it's the equivalent in energy consumption as driving a bike for 100km.It's not sustainable.
I think the thing the person above you is referring to is if we ever manage to make LLMs and such which can be run locally on a phone or laptop with good results. That would make people experiment and try out things themselves, instead of being dependent on paying monthly for some services that can change anytime.i mean. i have a 15 amp fuse in my apartment and a 10 second cideo takes like 10 minutes to make, i dont know how much energy a 4090 draws but anyone that has an issue with me using mine to generate a 10 second bideo better not play pc games.
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Just because it isn't all bad doesn't mean that a significant portion of it is in fact, bad.
Yes but IMO there is still a over reaction to it on Lemmy.
Let's not pretend LLMs are the devil
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What kind of selfish, emotionless psychopath do you have to be to legitimately think that libraries being unused, forgotten, and closed is a good thing?
You ever thought about this: maybe if you visited your library in person more often, you'd actually have more friends.
I never said that.
All I'm saying is just because The Internet caused library use to plummet doesn't mean Internet = Bad.
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And the point of anarchist or actual communist systems is that such scale would be miniscule.
Every community running their own AI would be even more wasteful than corporate centralization. It doesn't matter what the system is if people want it.
The point is, most wouldn't. It's of little real use currently, especially the LLM bullshit. The communities would have infinitely better things to pit resources to.
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The currently hot LLM technology is very interesting and I believe it has legitimate use cases. If we develop them into tools that help assist work. (For example, I'm very intrigued by the stuff that's happening in the accessibility field.)
I mostly have problem with the AI business. Ludicruous use cases (shoving AI into places where it has no business in). Sheer arrogance about the sociopolitics in general. Environmental impact. LLMs aren't good enough for "real" work, but snake oil salesmen keep saying they can do that, and uncritical people keep falling for it.
And of course, the social impact was just not what we were ready for. "Move fast and break things" may be a good mantra for developing tech, but not for releasing stuff that has vast social impact.
I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field. Usually, AI technologies just got gradually developed and integrated to software where they served purpose. Now, it's marred with controversy for decades to come.
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I'm a lot more sick of the word 'slop' than I am of AI. Please, when you criticize AI, form an original thought next time.
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DB0 has a rather famous record of banning users who do not agree with AI. See [email protected] or others for many threads complaining about it.
You have no way of knowing what the scale would be as it's all a thought experiment, however, so let's play at that. if you see AI as a nearly universal good and want to encourage people to use it, why not incorporate it into things? Why not foist it into the state OS or whatever?
Buuuuut... keep in mind that in previous Communist regimes (even if you disagree that they were "real" Communists), what the state says will apply. If the state is actively pro-AI, then by default, you are using it. Are you too good to use what your brothers and sisters have said is good and will definitely 100% save labour? Are you wasteful, Comrade? Why do you hate your country?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes, I have seen posts on it. Sufficed to say, despite being an anarchist. I don't have an account there for reasons. And don't agree with everything they do.
The situation with those bans I might consider heavy handed and perhaps overreaching. But by the same token it's a bit of a reflection of some of those that are banned. Overzealous and lacking nuance etc.
The funny thing is. They pretty much dislike the tech bros as much as anyone here does. You generally won't ever find them defending their actions. They want AI etc that they can run from their home. Not snarfing up massive public resources, massively contributing to climate change, or stealing anyone's livelihood. Hell many of them want to run off the grid from wind and solar. But, as always happens with the left. We can agree with eachother 90%, but will never tolerate or understand because of the 10%.
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We do know the scale. Your use of "the state" with reference to anarchism. Implies you're unfamiliar with it. Anarchism and communism are against "the state" for the reasons you're also warry of it. It's too powerful and unanswerable.
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We should ban computers since they are making mass surveillance easier. /s
we should allow lead in paint its easier to use /s
You are deliberatly missing my point which is : gen AI as an enormous amount of downside and no real world use.
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You asked for one example, I gave you one.
It's not just voice, I can ask it complex questions and it can understand context and put on lights or close blinds based on that context.
I find it very useful with no real drawbacks
I ask for an example making up for the downside everyone as to pay.
so, no ! A better shutter puller or a maybe marginally better vocal assitant is not gonna cut it.
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The reason most web forum posters hate AI is because AI is ruining web forums by polluting it with inauthentic garbage. Don't be treating it like it's some sort of irrational bandwagon.
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AI is good and cheap now because businesses are funding it at a loss, so not sure what you mean here.
The problem is that it's cheap, so that anyone can make whatever they want and most people make low quality slop, hence why it's not "good" in your eyes.
Making a cheap or efficient AI doesn't help the end user in any way.
I'm using "good" in almost a moral sense. The quality of output from LLMs and generative AI is already about as good as it can get from a technical standpoint, continuing to throw money and data at it will only result in minimal improvement.
What I mean by "good AI" is the potential of new types of AI models to be trained for things like diagnosing cancer, and and other predictive tasks that we haven't thought of yet that actually have the potential to help humanity (and not just put artists and authors out of their jobs).
The work of training new, useful AI models is going to be done by scientists and researchers, probably on a limited budgets because there won't be a clear profit motive, and they won't be able to afford thousands of $20,000 GPUs like are being thrown at LLMs and generative AI today. But as the current AI race crashes and burns, the used hardware of today will be more affordable and hopefully actually get used for useful AI projects.
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Do you really need to have a list of why people are sick of LLM and Ai slop?
Ai is literally making people dumber:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/18/is_ai_changing_our_brains/
They are a massive privacy risk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyH7zoP-JOg&t=3015s
Are being used to push fascist ideologies into every aspect of the internet:
https://newsocialist.org.uk/transmissions/ai-the-new-aesthetics-of-fascism/
And they are a massive environmental disaster:
https://news.mit.edu/2025/explained-generative-ai-environmental-impact-0117
Stop being a corporate apologist and stop wreaking the environment with this shit technology.
Edit: thank you to every Ai apologist outing themselves in the comments. Thank you for making blocking you easy.
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I find it very funny how just a mere mention of the two letters A and I will cause some people to seethe and fume, and go on rants about how much they hate AI, like a conservative upon seeing the word "pronouns."
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Machines replacing people is not a bad thing if they can actually perform the same or better; the solution to unemployment would be Universal Basic Income.
Unfortunately, UBI is just a solution to unemployment. Another solution (and the one apparently preferred by the billionaire rulers of this planet) is letting the unemployed rot and die.
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Texas has just asked residents to take less showers while datacenters made specifically for LLM training continue operating.
This is more like feeling bad for not using a paper straw while local factory dumps all their oil change into the community river.
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I ask for an example making up for the downside everyone as to pay.
so, no ! A better shutter puller or a maybe marginally better vocal assitant is not gonna cut it.
And again that's stuff siri and domotic tools where able to do since 2014 at a minimum.Siri has privacy issues, and only works when connected to the internet.
What are the downsides of me running my own local LLM? I've named many benefits privacy being one of them.
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I'm a lot more sick of the word 'slop' than I am of AI. Please, when you criticize AI, form an original thought next time.
Yes! Will people stop with their sloppy criticisms?
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Do you really need to have a list of why people are sick of LLM and Ai slop?
Ai is literally making people dumber:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/18/is_ai_changing_our_brains/
They are a massive privacy risk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyH7zoP-JOg&t=3015s
Are being used to push fascist ideologies into every aspect of the internet:
https://newsocialist.org.uk/transmissions/ai-the-new-aesthetics-of-fascism/
And they are a massive environmental disaster:
https://news.mit.edu/2025/explained-generative-ai-environmental-impact-0117
Stop being a corporate apologist and stop wreaking the environment with this shit technology.
Edit: thank you to every Ai apologist outing themselves in the comments. Thank you for making blocking you easy.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Ai is literally making people dumber:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/lee_2025_ai_critical_thinking_survey.pdfWe surveyed 319 knowledge workers who use GenAI tools (e.g.,
ChatGPT, Copilot) at work at least once per week, to model how
they enact critical thinking when using GenAI tools, and how GenAI
affects their perceived effort of thinking critically. Analysing 936
real-world GenAI tool use examples our participants shared, we
find that knowledge workers engage in critical thinking primarily
to ensure the quality of their work, e.g. by verifying outputs against
external sources. Moreover, while GenAI can improve worker efficiency, it can inhibit critical engagement with work and can potentially lead to long-term overreliance on the tool and diminished skill
for independent problem-solving. Higher confidence in GenAI’s
ability to perform a task is related to less critical thinking effort.
When using GenAI tools, the effort invested in critical thinking
shifts from information gathering to information verification; from
problem-solving to AI response integration; and from task execution to task stewardship. Knowledge workers face new challenges
in critical thinking as they incorporate GenAI into their knowledge
workflows. To that end, our work suggests that GenAI tools need
to be designed to support knowledge workers’ critical thinking by
addressing their awareness, motivation, and ability barriers.I would not say "can potentially lead to long-term overreliance on the tool and diminished skill
for independent problem-solving" equals to "literally making people dumber". A sample size of 319 isn't really representative anyways, and they mainly had a sample of a specific type of people. People switch from searching to verifying, which doesn't sound too bad if done correctly. They associate critical thinking with verifying everything ("Higher confidence in GenAI’s
ability to perform a task is related to less critical thinking effort"), not sure I agree on this.This study is also only aimed at people working instead of regular use. I personally discovered so many things with GenAI, and know to always question what the model says when it comes to specific topics or questions, because they tend to hallucinate. You could also say internet made people dumber, but those who know how to use it will be smarter.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/18/is_ai_changing_our_brains/
They had to write an essay in 20 minutes... obviously most people would just generate the whole thing and fix little problems here and there, but if you have to think less because you're just fixing stuff instead on inventing.. well yea, you use your brain less. Doesn't make you dumb? It's a bit like saying paying by card makes you dumber because you use less of your brain compared to paying in cash because you have to count how much you need to give, and how much you need to get back.
Yes, if you get helped by a tool or someone, it will be less intensive for your brain. Who would have thought?!
