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Lots of pro AI astroturfing and whataboutisms in these comments...
Only because most of the people here don't have the faintest idea what AI is or how it works.
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Did I say that?
Show me the place where I said that. Show it to me.
Come on. Show me the place where I said everything related to AI is negative. Show me even a place where you could reasonably construe that's what I meant.If you're talking about why we can't have a conversation, take a long hard look in the fucking mirror you goddamn hypocrite.
lol, you literally put words in the original commenter's mouth:
I know you think this will harm you and everyone you know, but it'll be much better if you just stay quiet instead of vocally opposing it
and now you're incredulous about something similar being done to you? lame
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Wouldn't the opposite of artificial intelligence be natural stupidity?
natural is a superfluous word that could mean multiple things. genuine means specific and vetted.
ie: "Natural Flavors"
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Whether intentional or not, this is gaslighting. "Here's the trendy reaction those wacky lemmings are currently upvoting!"
Getting to the core issue, of course we're sick of AI, and have a negative opinion of it! It's being forced into every product, whether it makes sense or not. It's literally taking developer jobs, then doing worse. It's burning fossil fuels and VC money and then hallucinating nonsense, but still it's being jammed down our throats when the vast majority of us see no use-case or benefit from it. But feel free to roll your eyes at those acknowledging the truth...
Are you honestly claiming a shitpost is gaslighting?
What a world we live in.
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I don't get to decide if the marketing terms used by the companies I hate end up becoming the common terms.
If I stubbornly refuse to use the common terms and instead only use the technical terms, then I'm only limiting the reach of my message.
OpenAI marketing has successfully made LLM one of the definitions of the term AI, and the most common term used to refer to the tech, in public spaces.
If I stubbornly refuse to use the common terms and instead only use the technical terms ...
That's where your role takes part as someone who knows the correct term. I myself often teach my close ones about tech and its terms in my field. I don't want to normalize using wrong terms in a technical discussion. It's just depending on us to teach what's right or just being comfortable what is already wrong and doing nothing about it. Activists are educators as much as they are advocates.
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Providing a counterexample to a claim is not whataboutism.
Whataboutism involves derailing a conversation with an ad-hominem to avoid addressing someone's argument, like what you just did.
AI use = small dick energy.
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Machines replacing people is not a bad thing if they can actually perform the same or better; the solution to unemployment would be Universal Basic Income.
Yeah, that would be the solution, but it's never happening.
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No hope commenting like this, just get ready getting downvoted with no reason. People use wrong terms and normalize it.
The comment currently has 20 points. Get off your cross...
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Calling AI not a person is going to be a slur in the future, you insensitive meatbag
That's okay, it can't take offense since it's not a person.
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I personally think of AI as a tool, what matters is how you use it. I like to think of it like a hammer. You could use a hammer to build a house, or you could smash someone's skull in with it. But no one's putting the hammer in jail.
Extreme oversimplification. Hammers don't kill the planet by simply existing.
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Ai is literally making people dumber:
And books destroyed everyone's memory. People used to have fantastic memories.
They are a massive privacy risk:
No different than the rest of cloud tech. Run your AI local like your other self hosting.
Are being used to push fascist ideologies into every aspect of the internet:
Hitler used radio to push fascism into every home. It's not the medium, it's the message.
And they are a massive environmental disaster:
AI uses a GPU just like gaming uses a GPU. Building a new AI model uses the same energy that Rockstar spent developing GTA5. But it's easier to point at a centralized data center polluting the environment than thousands of game developers spread across multiple offices creating even more pollution.
Stop being a corporate apologist
Run your own AI! Complaining about "corporate AI" is like complaining about corporate email. Host it yourself.
Run your own AI!
Oh sure, let me just pull a couple billion out of the couch cushions to spin up a data center in the middle of the desert.
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natural is a superfluous word that could mean multiple things. genuine means specific and vetted.
ie: "Natural Flavors"
As in Genuine Leather?
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Do you really need to have a list of why people are sick of LLM and Ai slop?
With the number of times that refrain is regurgitated here ad nauseum, need is an odd way to put it.
Sick of it might fit sentiments better.
Done with this & not giving a shit is another.Evil must be fought as long as it exists.
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If we develop them into tools that help assist work.
Spoilers: We will not
I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field.
I think this is just an American way of doing business. And it's awful, but at the end of the day people will adopt technology if it makes them greater profit (or at least screws over the correct group of people).
But where the Americanized AI seems to suffer most is in their marketing fully eclipsing their R&D. People seem to have forgotten how DeepSeek spiked the football on OpenAI less than a year ago by making some marginal optimizations to their algorithm.
The field isn't suffering from the hype cycle nearly so much as it suffers from malinvestment. Huge efforts to make the platform marketable. Huge efforts to shoehorn clumsy chat bots into every nook and cranny of the OS interface. Vanishingly little effort to optimize material consumption or effectively process data or to segregate AI content from the human data it needs to improve.
Spoilers: We will not
Generative inpainting/fill is enormously helpful in media production.
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Depending on context, jargon and terminology change.
In this context, I'd agree that LLMs are a subset tech under the umbrella term "AI". But in common English discourse, LLM and AI are often used interchangeably. That's not wrong because correctness is defined by the actual real usage of native speakers of the language.I also come from a tech background. I'm a developer with 15 years experience, and I work for a large company, and my job is currently integrating LLMs and more traditional ML models into our products, because our shareholders think we need to.
Specificity is useful in technical contexts, but in these public contexts, almost everyone knows what we're talking about, so the way we're using language is fine.You know it's bad when someone with my username thinks you're being too pedantic lol. Dont be a language prescriptivist.
wrote last edited by [email protected]... almost everyone knows what we're talking about, so the way we're using language is fine.
You said it â almost. Not everyone knows or understands, so wouldnât it be better to use the correct term instead of still using the wrong one? Youâre saying almost because weâre on Lemmy, and yes, most Fediverse software users are techies. I have friends who talk about âAI,â I edited this to lessen confusion to the second paragraph. For more specific, they were talking that 'AI is going to take our job, it can do copywriting for me' but when I ask further, theyâre actually talking about LLMs â which is not the same thing. And you yourself know itâs wrong, since you work in the related field. When I hear that, I just tell them, âItâs LLM, and LLMs are bla bla bla.â Whether they nod or not is on them, but at least theyâve been told the correct thing.
I accept being called a language prescriptivist in this case, because weâre here on Lemmy, most people are techies or nerds, and weâre discussing technology. In everyday conversation Iâm not pedantic, but in technical contexts, precision matters.
This isnât âwhataboutism.â Iâm not opposing the substance of whatâs being said, Iâm pointing out how itâs being said. If we already know the correct term, why not use it? Thatâs not gatekeeping â thatâs making the discussion clearer for everyone. As already being said on my previous comment, as an activist, that's also your role being an educator. Without education, activism turns into noise.
I think this is how it should end. I agree with the substance of whatâs being said, and youâve already acknowledged my earlier point about where LLMs fit within the AI field. Since saying âAI is badâ as activism should also involve educating people with the correct term, I see this as a technical context rather than a public one. I respect your view since youâve provided argumentation. Thanks.
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Whether intentional or not, this is gaslighting. "Here's the trendy reaction those wacky lemmings are currently upvoting!"
Getting to the core issue, of course we're sick of AI, and have a negative opinion of it! It's being forced into every product, whether it makes sense or not. It's literally taking developer jobs, then doing worse. It's burning fossil fuels and VC money and then hallucinating nonsense, but still it's being jammed down our throats when the vast majority of us see no use-case or benefit from it. But feel free to roll your eyes at those acknowledging the truth...
it's literally making its users nuts, or exacerbating their existing mental illness. not hyperbole, according to psychologists. and this isn't conjecture:
https://futurism.com/openai-investor-chatgpt-mental-health
https://futurism.com/chatgpt-psychosis-antichrist-aliens
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Ai takes far more power to serve a single request than a website does though.
And remember, AI requires those websites too, for training data.
So it's not just more power hungry, it also has thw initial power consumption added on top
A good chunk of the Internet usage is HD videos which is far more power hungry than AI. I agree it's added on top...just like streaming did in 2010, and as things will continue to do.
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It's a comparison of people, not of subjects. In becoming blind with rage upon seeing the letters A and I you act the same as a conservative person seeing the word "pronouns."
Commit to this. Let AI write all your responses from now on.
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Do you think hammers grow out of the ground? Or that the magically spawn the building materials to work on?
Everything we do has a cost. We should definitely strive for efficiency and responsibile use of resources. But to use this as an excuse, while you read this in a device made of metals mined by children, is pretty hypocritical.
No consumption is ehical under capitalism, take responsibility instead for what you do with that consumption.
Most of the material used in hammers does come from the ground.
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If we develop them into tools that help assist work.
Spoilers: We will not
I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field.
I think this is just an American way of doing business. And it's awful, but at the end of the day people will adopt technology if it makes them greater profit (or at least screws over the correct group of people).
But where the Americanized AI seems to suffer most is in their marketing fully eclipsing their R&D. People seem to have forgotten how DeepSeek spiked the football on OpenAI less than a year ago by making some marginal optimizations to their algorithm.
The field isn't suffering from the hype cycle nearly so much as it suffers from malinvestment. Huge efforts to make the platform marketable. Huge efforts to shoehorn clumsy chat bots into every nook and cranny of the OS interface. Vanishingly little effort to optimize material consumption or effectively process data or to segregate AI content from the human data it needs to improve.
