nah it's natural
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Not that renaming problems ever helps, but this is why I'm trying to push "anthropogenic runaway global heating" as a replacement for the weak formulation of "global warming" and the even weaker "climate change". It has the handy acronym of ARGH.
I'm just going to call it "the climate shitshow" at this point, with how cooked we seem to be.
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The scary thing is, this graph is probably far too conservative.
Evidence is now emerging that indicates that warming has accelerated dramatically in the last 2-3 years. As in, we may see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50, with +3℃ happening just after 2035, and +4℃ happening by some time around 2040 to 2050.
You know what happens around +4℃? The extinction of all megafauna - animals larger than 45kg. Like humans. The entire ⅓ of the planet between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn will experience lethally high wet bulb temperatures across all regions for at least several weeks out of every year, rendering it permanently uninhabitable for the 4+ Billion people that currently live there. India is currently flirting with that reality.
And with that heating inertia, 2100 may see +8℃ temps, which essentially means ice-free poles year round (once things calm down), with palm trees and alligators at the North Pole. Of course, by that time chaotic weather and resource exhaustion will have killed off all remaining humans.
And the lovely thing about “moving parts” is that they all have this little thing called inertia… the faster they move, the further they go. And +8℃ is very close to the +12-15℃ that a Venus Scenario would be triggered by.
Past warming events have been “similar” in that they have gotten just as warm, but they took hundreds of thousands of years to get to the same place, allowing entire continent-wide ecosystems to quite literally migrate across thousands of kilometers to adapt. Our changes are happening in less than 0.01% of that time scale, giving ecosystems no time at all in which to react. So our biosphere will get slaughtered along with us, and will be unable to compensate in time.
And with the biosphere becoming overwhelmed by rapid changes, there goes the “friction” that could do something about that “inertia”.
And the worst part is, we still haven’t moved off of the worst-case-possible “business as usual” path. We are swan-diving into the worst possible future. Thanks to billionaires addicted to fat profit margins and who control all of the processes, we are utterly failing to generate the change needed to save ourselves, with CO2e production - purely human sources, excluding the feedback loops in nature!! - CONTINUING TO ACCELERATE.
Fun times. I just might live long enough to see humanity go extinct.
The planet is fine it’s the people who are fucked
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@[email protected] When I saw the "Industrial Revolution" label next to the vertical increase in global temperatures, I couldn't help but recall of some text written in 1995 by a certain former math teacher, and how right he was about the Industrial Revolution's consequences...
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No,No, not continue as normal, actively contributing to and profiting of. And engaging in generational bickering; In fact telling kids (!) Yes! kids! That.. (checks notes)..they have autism (??) in response to them screaming att the old farts to do something. As if that was not enough, a guy painted his skin orange and spent his power on destroying climate research data. On actually hunting it down in Arctic stations to delete it.
The wealth that was "generated" was systematically funneled into symbols to a handful of senile males that never spent a penny, but for sometimes when they brunt a chunk of the gold on making sure every adult continues to bicker with their kids and continually actively release kilotons of carbon into the stratosphere as a "ritual".
Because even though we had clean propulsion and energy available, the insane carousel of madness could stop if we didn't ride the ton metal beasts every day and it's not far then before people realize that the wealth and power is all just symbolic. All just a number in a computer on Panama. An unphantomable number, to be sure, oh it is very, very unphantomable, but as a legacy goes, the new names for big numbers we had to invent -- it wasn't even that good? A googol of gold? Is that supposed to be a joke? Is really it so funny? Is calling one of the megacorporations "googlog" like.. a meme to them? Is this their "doge"? It's so dry, but it fits.. That they might just.. Find it funny to say. Guess it tends to happen with made up currency.
The worldslacht though, isn't even profitable any more in the symbolic sense. They have to pay for oil rigs, astroturfing, oil rigs, war, class war, culture war, media entertainment, fracking rigs, haulers, astroturfing, oil spills, new huge boats with a pool, art to write off tax with, and really it's all ending in a whimper as the entire golden age we should have had was swallowed by their immense greed. Movies are about oil and cars. Wars are about cars. Some culture wants to live in a house? No, your land is now a parking. Huge spaces, just a place where we store our ton metal beasts that chug benzenes and scream at the sky to move us walking distance. They have to be placed in a painted rectangle on a flat surface and we have a most important war over who has what painted square.
If you think we respect our metal beasts then no, we crush the ton metal beasts and build new ones constantly so we can have a little war over who has the newest and hottest model. It is said that person gets to mate more often. But I truly wonder what mates were gained this way.
It is cool to have larger vehicles, but only up to a specific point, if you share your ride then it is no longer a mating ritual. If you ride too many, you are instead redicculed. "Don't you have your own ton metal beast?" No, to really stand out with feathers cocked, you have to ride your metal beast alone. One person per beast. If you really need a mate to nest with get a really heavy or fast or flying metal beast, and use it to go alone. It signals status. Fuckability.
That you have your own several ton metal beast roaring, yes sometimes actually emptying the carbon in the sky directly when exploding the oil it apparently requires to propel tonnes of metal.. for one single guy (and sometimes a mate or two). This is the dream. This is true freedom. To spend incredible amounts to move several tons of metal, just to transport one guy a little more comfortably than if they went on a rail. Did I mention, by the way, that yes we actually had already invented rails. It just didn't make its way to America yet. It's... (checks notes again) ..too expensive.
Well they will all be dead soon, leaving only the kids with the aftermath of what seems like a party, but actually was only a mess that sincerely wasn't worth it as the profits of all work just sit there, completely unused potential to at least do something they would want with it. I mean something fun and stupid while they have the opportunity to actually do anything with the whole world as their playground. But like a child that does not want to share, its only purpose is to point out how much better than everyone else these senile few was.
And yeah that was a feverish century everyone else seemingly worshipped and adored these elite.. except the kids. And they were rediculed because they were autistic and adhd and all other institutional psychological distress, but of course never heard for their very clear "how dare you, shitheads?". The darned kids. But the legacy of the elite that forced the world to toil for oil will truly go down in history as utter tools. It is just sad that they mauled the planet into a death spiral that seems to end our species. It was kind of a childish thing to do, ironically.
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"The line must go up" or something like that
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The scary thing is, this graph is probably far too conservative.
Evidence is now emerging that indicates that warming has accelerated dramatically in the last 2-3 years. As in, we may see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50, with +3℃ happening just after 2035, and +4℃ happening by some time around 2040 to 2050.
You know what happens around +4℃? The extinction of all megafauna - animals larger than 45kg. Like humans. The entire ⅓ of the planet between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn will experience lethally high wet bulb temperatures across all regions for at least several weeks out of every year, rendering it permanently uninhabitable for the 4+ Billion people that currently live there. India is currently flirting with that reality.
And with that heating inertia, 2100 may see +8℃ temps, which essentially means ice-free poles year round (once things calm down), with palm trees and alligators at the North Pole. Of course, by that time chaotic weather and resource exhaustion will have killed off all remaining humans.
And the lovely thing about “moving parts” is that they all have this little thing called inertia… the faster they move, the further they go. And +8℃ is very close to the +12-15℃ that a Venus Scenario would be triggered by.
Past warming events have been “similar” in that they have gotten just as warm, but they took hundreds of thousands of years to get to the same place, allowing entire continent-wide ecosystems to quite literally migrate across thousands of kilometers to adapt. Our changes are happening in less than 0.01% of that time scale, giving ecosystems no time at all in which to react. So our biosphere will get slaughtered along with us, and will be unable to compensate in time.
And with the biosphere becoming overwhelmed by rapid changes, there goes the “friction” that could do something about that “inertia”.
And the worst part is, we still haven’t moved off of the worst-case-possible “business as usual” path. We are swan-diving into the worst possible future. Thanks to billionaires addicted to fat profit margins and who control all of the processes, we are utterly failing to generate the change needed to save ourselves, with CO2e production - purely human sources, excluding the feedback loops in nature!! - CONTINUING TO ACCELERATE.
Fun times. I just might live long enough to see humanity go extinct.
Yet "you have to have a car to work" like ok no for one fuck you for two we have several modes of transport AND energy sources now you actually do choose actively to diarrhea out carbon on purpose and I fucking see you
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Just like with debt, we can just raise the ceiling and the problem is fixed
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At what point on this graph is ecoterrorism justified?
but but but somebody was late for work!!!!! /s
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This is like the "both sides" argument in politics.
It resonates with people and encourages apathy supporting the status quo.
Its true that the actions of an individual aren't very impactful. Its also true that large corporations are responsible for the vast majority of the problem.
However, if no one bought products from those companies, or owned their shares, then they would exist.
While "no one" is not possible, what if everyone just used 5% less, or 5% of people switched to an "ethical" 401k / pension funds that didn't invest in these companies.
We dont need a few people doing climate mitigation perfectly, we need everyone doing climate mitigation imperfectly.
It sounds like such a small change, yet we're unable to achieve it.
For example, here in Australia our conservative party is presently trying to discard our pathetic carbon emissions targets saying they're unachievable.
Ah, but is it apathy to support the systematic teardown of these major sources? Like actually destroying private jets for instance
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It isn't too late now. Apparently AI is a good target - eating a world's supply of electricity to further enrich the billionaires while continuing to muddy the science of climate change. Wish people were as upset about that as they are about their porn being restricted.
You're selling AI short. It also guzzles water at a rate that could make a golf course blush.
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A lot of ordinary people voted for politicians that promised them cheap gas and cost of living, instead of the ones wanting to build a sustainable future.
A lot of ordinary people, both young and old, bought, and are still buying into the lies of corporate America because our media is controlled by corporations.
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This is like the "both sides" argument in politics.
It resonates with people and encourages apathy supporting the status quo.
Its true that the actions of an individual aren't very impactful. Its also true that large corporations are responsible for the vast majority of the problem.
However, if no one bought products from those companies, or owned their shares, then they would exist.
While "no one" is not possible, what if everyone just used 5% less, or 5% of people switched to an "ethical" 401k / pension funds that didn't invest in these companies.
We dont need a few people doing climate mitigation perfectly, we need everyone doing climate mitigation imperfectly.
It sounds like such a small change, yet we're unable to achieve it.
For example, here in Australia our conservative party is presently trying to discard our pathetic carbon emissions targets saying they're unachievable.
It's the truth
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I like Joshua's answer here. The mental gymnastics is insane
I really don't see how slaying the planet in a magical way is so different than slaughtering the planet in a greedy astroturfing way? After giving mass ff7 lore he just convulse into rants about how bad antifa is and nobody even asked. The megacorps and their lobbyists ARE killing our planet and using faschism and world order war.. the fucking boreal is our Mako. If they burn, similarly no new soul will be born.
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No,No, not continue as normal, actively contributing to and profiting of. And engaging in generational bickering; In fact telling kids (!) Yes! kids! That.. (checks notes)..they have autism (??) in response to them screaming att the old farts to do something. As if that was not enough, a guy painted his skin orange and spent his power on destroying climate research data. On actually hunting it down in Arctic stations to delete it.
The wealth that was "generated" was systematically funneled into symbols to a handful of senile males that never spent a penny, but for sometimes when they brunt a chunk of the gold on making sure every adult continues to bicker with their kids and continually actively release kilotons of carbon into the stratosphere as a "ritual".
Because even though we had clean propulsion and energy available, the insane carousel of madness could stop if we didn't ride the ton metal beasts every day and it's not far then before people realize that the wealth and power is all just symbolic. All just a number in a computer on Panama. An unphantomable number, to be sure, oh it is very, very unphantomable, but as a legacy goes, the new names for big numbers we had to invent -- it wasn't even that good? A googol of gold? Is that supposed to be a joke? Is really it so funny? Is calling one of the megacorporations "googlog" like.. a meme to them? Is this their "doge"? It's so dry, but it fits.. That they might just.. Find it funny to say. Guess it tends to happen with made up currency.
The worldslacht though, isn't even profitable any more in the symbolic sense. They have to pay for oil rigs, astroturfing, oil rigs, war, class war, culture war, media entertainment, fracking rigs, haulers, astroturfing, oil spills, new huge boats with a pool, art to write off tax with, and really it's all ending in a whimper as the entire golden age we should have had was swallowed by their immense greed. Movies are about oil and cars. Wars are about cars. Some culture wants to live in a house? No, your land is now a parking. Huge spaces, just a place where we store our ton metal beasts that chug benzenes and scream at the sky to move us walking distance. They have to be placed in a painted rectangle on a flat surface and we have a most important war over who has what painted square.
If you think we respect our metal beasts then no, we crush the ton metal beasts and build new ones constantly so we can have a little war over who has the newest and hottest model. It is said that person gets to mate more often. But I truly wonder what mates were gained this way.
It is cool to have larger vehicles, but only up to a specific point, if you share your ride then it is no longer a mating ritual. If you ride too many, you are instead redicculed. "Don't you have your own ton metal beast?" No, to really stand out with feathers cocked, you have to ride your metal beast alone. One person per beast. If you really need a mate to nest with get a really heavy or fast or flying metal beast, and use it to go alone. It signals status. Fuckability.
That you have your own several ton metal beast roaring, yes sometimes actually emptying the carbon in the sky directly when exploding the oil it apparently requires to propel tonnes of metal.. for one single guy (and sometimes a mate or two). This is the dream. This is true freedom. To spend incredible amounts to move several tons of metal, just to transport one guy a little more comfortably than if they went on a rail. Did I mention, by the way, that yes we actually had already invented rails. It just didn't make its way to America yet. It's... (checks notes again) ..too expensive.
Well they will all be dead soon, leaving only the kids with the aftermath of what seems like a party, but actually was only a mess that sincerely wasn't worth it as the profits of all work just sit there, completely unused potential to at least do something they would want with it. I mean something fun and stupid while they have the opportunity to actually do anything with the whole world as their playground. But like a child that does not want to share, its only purpose is to point out how much better than everyone else these senile few was.
And yeah that was a feverish century everyone else seemingly worshipped and adored these elite.. except the kids. And they were rediculed because they were autistic and adhd and all other institutional psychological distress, but of course never heard for their very clear "how dare you, shitheads?". The darned kids. But the legacy of the elite that forced the world to toil for oil will truly go down in history as utter tools. It is just sad that they mauled the planet into a death spiral that seems to end our species. It was kind of a childish thing to do, ironically.
Hey man, can I get a couple Adderall?
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If you're a European/American/Oceanian with a bank account in the black, you're probably in the global 1% who use six times your share.
Look, I'm not an ecofascist, but if I was, I'd be saying kill all white people. Instead, because I'm generally a nonviolent person, I'm saying slash the tires on white people's cars. And anyone else who lives in a majority white country. These are places where most of the population are the global 1%.
No that is still not class war, you are talking about race war now
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I like Joshua's answer here. The mental gymnastics is insane
Wow, I couldn't get through that... Feel like it's a sign of some mental issues to produce that much word diarrhea in a Quora answer...
But yeah, "the bombings in the game and their collateral damage including death of civilians are good, but you know what is truly evil? Some people that mostly just hold up protest signs and stand around protesting Trump."
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Parents naturally have children. Children that will very much be alive to experience the "find out" part. I am incapable of comprehending how shortsighted and self centered someone has to be to be like: Well, at least I had a nice life, good luck everybody!
And on a low level, they're kind of right because most ordinary people aren't to blame for this, so shaming "parents" makes no sense.
Shame the international petroleum conglomerates, plastic producers, shipping, etc. You know, the actual emitters in the billions of gigatons.
I agree that ordinary people are only partly to blame and that we need to focus on the worst offenders. However, the indifference of large parts of previous generations surely enabled much of the current situation. Most of our parents could vote, most had a chance to drive a tiny bit of change in some kind of way. Some even held positions of power or still do. Putting some blame on them surely isn't wrong, especially if they still don't care.
Aaaaaaaaah i hate that this is what we say to that argument!! Why does it end there? Like "its the megacorporations." Oh ok then nobody is to blame.
No.
Actually
The megacorporations are to blame. Attack.
The megacorps are run by people (so far) but if you kill one lackey, the corp replaces them (without mourning I might add), so how can anyone attack the corp and not the people? The law? No it stops there?Huh, so these mega evil entities are destroying the planet? Huh. Well doesn't look like anything to me? Yet they can lobby and decide laws? Is that how good we are at fighting then?
They are pure demonic world eaters and have lobbyed to become legal persons. To be the only entities without soul that can be considered a legal person in our legal system. If that system is broken to that degree.. well, if they are persons, then they can bleed. And die. I am not this weak at fighting for my planet
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He's also delusional if he thinks AGI is coming if you just keep pumping up LLMs.
We didn't invent the automobile by breeding faster, and faster, horses.
I don't think any serious ai researcher things that
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You dont understand. The poor billionairs need their money nowwww!
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Shh, we don't want to talk about that, car is comfy
On a more serious level, the type of AI that all the energy is being used for, generative AI, is not particularly necessary. Transportation often is. There are types of AI that are ridiculously useful, like the one that does protein folding, or a lot of machine learning algos that classify things for X or Y business reason... But LLMs and image generation are a fucking novelty.
Do you think these are just different technologies that happened to have been developed simultaneously? These are all from the same spark. Neural networks giving rise to emergent unexplainable phenomenon when prodded in very very specific ways. Ai research is almost all trying to understand how the fuck that happens and why it can do all these things.
Radiology is a good use case. Ai porn maybe not so much.
But as god help me. You are saying that cruising in a several ton metal missiles, often alone, back and fourth over the planet or to McDonalds is necessary! No transportation isn't often necessary! Americans often say this but DUH you didn't build sidewalks or trains! You astroturfed the shit out of oil. This is very embarrassing, I get it, but GOD DANN NO transportation with exploding dinosaurs that you frack out of gorgeous boreal forests ISNT NECESSARY AT ALL, we have invented train, bus, bicycle, electric cars, please for god sake stop working for astroturfing oil company proxies and get a fucking bike and then spit and be rude to all single drivers in all cities.
