DeepSeek AI raises national security concerns, U.S. officials say

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The War Thunder forum is a greater threat to "national security" than any of this AI whohash. Something, something, nickle...

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First time you do something is always harder. OpenAI just didn't think it was 1000x harder and thought they'd have more time to cash in.

Myself, I think that being able to throw billions of dollars at hardware, and their focus on next-quarter results discouraged them from putting in the human effort to analyze and optimize their process. It turns out there were some fantastic optimizations to do.

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Well yeah, it’s obviously more of a risk to send directly to your rival than internally. Both are risky but one is much, much worse.

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as Chinese law allows government access to company-held data.

... Kind of exactly like how US law allows government access to company-held data?

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Not that America doesn’t have its own problem. But what do the suicide prevention nets looks like at your office. Because they’re everywhere in china because of shitty working conditions. This is how they do shit so cheap.

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With a warrant. Main difference is the Chinese govt has no such roadblocks.

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Oh please. Warrants are rubber stamped, it's as simple as clicking a button. And do you really think entities like the NSA bother with formalities like warrants?

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And what exactly is the average person sending to China that's such a threat to US global Imperialism?

Sure, ban it on government devices or whatever you want to do, but why should civilians be punished because the government can't embezzle as efficiently?

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oh yeah, not denying that the prototype will be more expensive and resource intensive than following versions, but the whole "US overspends on novel technology, China blows that technology out of the water and shows this tech is both accessible and affordable, US bans Chinese product because American companies don't want to compete" shtick is just getting old

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but some guy in Kentucky isn't able to get a detailed description of Tiananmen Square from the US perspective

How about from the perspective of the pro-democracy protestors who were there? Don't turn a brutal crackdown on people trying to gain some control of their lives and their country as an East vs. West problem.

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Most corporations will hand over the data without question whenever the government asks without a warrant.

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I'm not here to discuss the validity of Tiananmen Square, that was just the example I keep seeing used.

Why does it matter if one source doesn't provide the official CIA story? You can look up how America views that event anywhere.

How is that censorship any worse than US tech companies blocking you from being able to say the word "Republican" in a negative context?

Also, you left out the most important part "without a little effort." Deepseek will happily tell you anything you want about Tiananmen Square from any perspective you ask it with a little creative prompting.

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Pretty sure they are talking about the app, not the model.

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Deepseek used distillation, which is a way of extracting training information from other models through querying the model. In other words, some of the advances came from examining OpenAI’s models. Being first is hardest and took brute force.

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Like TikTok. The national security threat is actually just fear of profit loss.

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It's open source so why not just take the best parts of it and run it themselves if it is such a worry instead of relying on their app and website.

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Deepseek will happily tell you anything you want about Tiananmen Square from any perspective you ask it with a little creative prompting.

Show me. You can get it to say some slightly vague things about it, but you can’t have it say “anything from any perspective”. Can’t we just leave out a conspiracy theory while discussing AI?

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Hmm, what are the previous examples?

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I only commented because you said something stupid about Tiananmen Square that chapped my hide. The rest of it is fine. I'm only responding again because you doubled-down. The CIA version? I was alive at the time and followed the news, including live TV reporting, for days.

Say what you want about the politics of US News channels at that time, they weren't all in lock step with the CIA. I watched as Zhao Ziyang visited with the hunger-striking students, and I watched as the tanks rolled in. Don't try to revise history because you need the US to be the #1 bad guy. China had a chance to reform, and they cracked down instead.

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MVP in Technology. OpenAI just sat around throwing salt to the wind piling up "value" until they can convince people it is worth some obscene amount of money to sell out. Once you give someone a literal milestone and show them the path, boom.

This really really feels like a real life Tortoise and the Hare story. Like real hard, and I don't feel the least bit bad for the hare.

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DeepSeek AI raises national security concerns, U.S. officials say