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  • M [email protected]

    There is literally no way to do performant e2ee at large scale. e2ee works by encrypting every message for every recipient, on the users device.

    At 1000 users, that's basically a public room.

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    #48

    I haven't had a chance to test the limits of Peersuite, but since it's a mesh network, I don't think it would run well with even 100 people.

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    • andres4ny@social.ridetrans.itA [email protected]

      @moonpiedumplings @jagged_circle
      * I can't speak on behalf of the author, but I could imagine handling it by simply not decrypting _everything_ on startup, and only decrypting an older chat if you click on it or attempt to run a search on everything. Although for a search, I would expect some kind of hashed (and of course encrypted) database that allows a quick search of all prior messages.

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      #49

      Everything is decrypted on exiting transit. I use WebRTC for all the data.

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      • J [email protected]

        Hey everyone.

        I make Peersuite, an opensource free communication platform.

        It's private by default, there's no sign-in or email collection.

        It's peer-to-peer, there's no server, after discovery you are connected directly to your friends my AES-GCN encrypted WebRTC channels. It forms a mesh and identifies superpeers. Because there is no server, in order to save your data between sessions, you can download your workspace into a password encrypted file.
        Happy to answer any questions.

        FEATURES:
        chat with images, PMs, channels, and file send
        group audio/video calling
        screensharing
        kanban board
        whiteboard for diagrams/flowchartswith PNG export
        collaborative document editing with formatted PDF export

        The best way for self hosting is docker, its on dockerhub as openconstruct/peersuite. You can also download desktop versions from the github or use on the web at https://peersuite.space/

        github - https://github.com/openconstruct/Peersuite

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        wrote on last edited by [email protected]
        #50

        Well hell I may stand this up tonight. My only question is does the voice chat support push-to-talk?

        Edit: Ok, gave it a spin. It does not support push-to-talk but being fully browser based I don't think that's a trivial thing to implement anyway.

        That said, this is pretty sweet though certainly still rudimentary. I was really looking forward to the screen sharing but my friend on the other end said the quality and framerate were pretty bad. Not sure what flexibility there is as far as adjustable bit rate and framerate with what you're doing but I'll definitely be keeping my eye on this project.

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        • J [email protected]

          Hey everyone.

          I make Peersuite, an opensource free communication platform.

          It's private by default, there's no sign-in or email collection.

          It's peer-to-peer, there's no server, after discovery you are connected directly to your friends my AES-GCN encrypted WebRTC channels. It forms a mesh and identifies superpeers. Because there is no server, in order to save your data between sessions, you can download your workspace into a password encrypted file.
          Happy to answer any questions.

          FEATURES:
          chat with images, PMs, channels, and file send
          group audio/video calling
          screensharing
          kanban board
          whiteboard for diagrams/flowchartswith PNG export
          collaborative document editing with formatted PDF export

          The best way for self hosting is docker, its on dockerhub as openconstruct/peersuite. You can also download desktop versions from the github or use on the web at https://peersuite.space/

          github - https://github.com/openconstruct/Peersuite

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          #51

          Will you package it to flathub?

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          • J [email protected]

            Hey everyone.

            I make Peersuite, an opensource free communication platform.

            It's private by default, there's no sign-in or email collection.

            It's peer-to-peer, there's no server, after discovery you are connected directly to your friends my AES-GCN encrypted WebRTC channels. It forms a mesh and identifies superpeers. Because there is no server, in order to save your data between sessions, you can download your workspace into a password encrypted file.
            Happy to answer any questions.

            FEATURES:
            chat with images, PMs, channels, and file send
            group audio/video calling
            screensharing
            kanban board
            whiteboard for diagrams/flowchartswith PNG export
            collaborative document editing with formatted PDF export

            The best way for self hosting is docker, its on dockerhub as openconstruct/peersuite. You can also download desktop versions from the github or use on the web at https://peersuite.space/

            github - https://github.com/openconstruct/Peersuite

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            wrote on last edited by [email protected]
            #52

            feel-ford-bean-base

            pass: poop

            workspace code ^^^ for anyone that wants to test it out with me. I don't have friends to do so 😞

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            • T [email protected]

              Well hell I may stand this up tonight. My only question is does the voice chat support push-to-talk?

              Edit: Ok, gave it a spin. It does not support push-to-talk but being fully browser based I don't think that's a trivial thing to implement anyway.

              That said, this is pretty sweet though certainly still rudimentary. I was really looking forward to the screen sharing but my friend on the other end said the quality and framerate were pretty bad. Not sure what flexibility there is as far as adjustable bit rate and framerate with what you're doing but I'll definitely be keeping my eye on this project.

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              wrote on last edited by
              #53

              Push to talk is in testing now. WebRTC changes quality automatically based on bandwidth. Its usually really good. It runs at full quality in testing ( i have like 6 devices I hook up and test). If you guys normally have a good connection, try again?

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              • S [email protected]

                Will you package it to flathub?

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                #54

                I could package the electron version to flathub, I hadn't considered that. I will read up on it.

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                • J [email protected]

                  Hey everyone.

                  I make Peersuite, an opensource free communication platform.

                  It's private by default, there's no sign-in or email collection.

                  It's peer-to-peer, there's no server, after discovery you are connected directly to your friends my AES-GCN encrypted WebRTC channels. It forms a mesh and identifies superpeers. Because there is no server, in order to save your data between sessions, you can download your workspace into a password encrypted file.
                  Happy to answer any questions.

                  FEATURES:
                  chat with images, PMs, channels, and file send
                  group audio/video calling
                  screensharing
                  kanban board
                  whiteboard for diagrams/flowchartswith PNG export
                  collaborative document editing with formatted PDF export

                  The best way for self hosting is docker, its on dockerhub as openconstruct/peersuite. You can also download desktop versions from the github or use on the web at https://peersuite.space/

                  github - https://github.com/openconstruct/Peersuite

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                  #55

                  My group recently switched to Matrix and so this would be a tough sell, but it seems interesting. I haven't been a fan of Matrix and miss the ease of UI in discord, but was happy to leave with it's direction. How would you sell it with a small group that has small, but mounting usability issues with Matrix?

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                  • T [email protected]

                    My group recently switched to Matrix and so this would be a tough sell, but it seems interesting. I haven't been a fan of Matrix and miss the ease of UI in discord, but was happy to leave with it's direction. How would you sell it with a small group that has small, but mounting usability issues with Matrix?

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                    #56

                    Get everybody in to at least try it. I tried to make everything as intuitive as possible.

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                    • J [email protected]

                      What kind of phone? I do testing during development and it works fine on my tablet.

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                      #57

                      I have a Samsung Galaxy S21 FE 5G. It seems like anything near the bottom of the screen gets cut off and I'm not able to scroll down to see it.

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                      • J [email protected]

                        Push to talk is in testing now. WebRTC changes quality automatically based on bandwidth. Its usually really good. It runs at full quality in testing ( i have like 6 devices I hook up and test). If you guys normally have a good connection, try again?

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                        #58

                        Perhaps talking about bitrate wasn't correct of me. After looking at this again image quality itself is actually pretty good but the framerate is a different story.

                        To provide context, I used it to share the video game I was playing as my friends that use discord tell me they primarily stick to it for its screen sharing capability which they use when gaming.

                        I'm not sure how to best test this and provide metrics to you if this is improvable or even something you care about.

                        To attempt to take the connection factor out of the equation I opened two browser windows and viewed my own screen share from a different username and even then the framerate is not great.

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                        • T [email protected]

                          Perhaps talking about bitrate wasn't correct of me. After looking at this again image quality itself is actually pretty good but the framerate is a different story.

                          To provide context, I used it to share the video game I was playing as my friends that use discord tell me they primarily stick to it for its screen sharing capability which they use when gaming.

                          I'm not sure how to best test this and provide metrics to you if this is improvable or even something you care about.

                          To attempt to take the connection factor out of the equation I opened two browser windows and viewed my own screen share from a different username and even then the framerate is not great.

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                          #59

                          How are you using it browser or electron? What OS?
                          It looks great in my testing, wil ltry and reproduce the effect you're getting,

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                          • G [email protected]

                            I have a Samsung Galaxy S21 FE 5G. It seems like anything near the bottom of the screen gets cut off and I'm not able to scroll down to see it.

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                            #60

                            I have a galaxy I test on, what can't you see?
                            Could you take some screenshots?

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                            • T [email protected]

                              Well hell I may stand this up tonight. My only question is does the voice chat support push-to-talk?

                              Edit: Ok, gave it a spin. It does not support push-to-talk but being fully browser based I don't think that's a trivial thing to implement anyway.

                              That said, this is pretty sweet though certainly still rudimentary. I was really looking forward to the screen sharing but my friend on the other end said the quality and framerate were pretty bad. Not sure what flexibility there is as far as adjustable bit rate and framerate with what you're doing but I'll definitely be keeping my eye on this project.

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                              #61

                              ptt is live on git & site now.

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                              • J [email protected]

                                I have a galaxy I test on, what can't you see?
                                Could you take some screenshots?

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                                #62

                                I just tested it again and now #general shows up right after I join on mobile. I think it's possible that I was having network/browser issues or something at the exact moment I tried it before. 😛

                                I am really into this, it was such a breeze to set up. Are there plans to offer more customization options like custom CSS, an editable configuration file, or something like that? I have a Podman container set up and I'm thinking of creating a volume mount to add some very basic styling but official support would be great.

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                                • J [email protected]

                                  Hey everyone.

                                  I make Peersuite, an opensource free communication platform.

                                  It's private by default, there's no sign-in or email collection.

                                  It's peer-to-peer, there's no server, after discovery you are connected directly to your friends my AES-GCN encrypted WebRTC channels. It forms a mesh and identifies superpeers. Because there is no server, in order to save your data between sessions, you can download your workspace into a password encrypted file.
                                  Happy to answer any questions.

                                  FEATURES:
                                  chat with images, PMs, channels, and file send
                                  group audio/video calling
                                  screensharing
                                  kanban board
                                  whiteboard for diagrams/flowchartswith PNG export
                                  collaborative document editing with formatted PDF export

                                  The best way for self hosting is docker, its on dockerhub as openconstruct/peersuite. You can also download desktop versions from the github or use on the web at https://peersuite.space/

                                  github - https://github.com/openconstruct/Peersuite

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                                  #63

                                  Does it have voice rooms yet ?

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                                  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                    Does it have voice rooms yet ?

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                                    #64

                                    Voice is workspace-wide currently, there's no way to separate off as it stands now

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                                    • G [email protected]

                                      I just tested it again and now #general shows up right after I join on mobile. I think it's possible that I was having network/browser issues or something at the exact moment I tried it before. 😛

                                      I am really into this, it was such a breeze to set up. Are there plans to offer more customization options like custom CSS, an editable configuration file, or something like that? I have a Podman container set up and I'm thinking of creating a volume mount to add some very basic styling but official support would be great.

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                                      #65

                                      No current plans, but that would be a great idea! If you just want to edit the CSS, it's all in index.html

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                                        No current plans, but that would be a great idea! If you just want to edit the CSS, it's all in index.html

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                                        #66

                                        Ah, no worries for now. I took out the inline CSS and replaced it with an external file, so I'll work on that.

                                        I made some minor adjustments already, like removing the transform on hover and having the whiteboard to expand to fit its container, so that's nice. Have you thought about implementing draw.io or excalidraw?

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                                          Ah, no worries for now. I took out the inline CSS and replaced it with an external file, so I'll work on that.

                                          I made some minor adjustments already, like removing the transform on hover and having the whiteboard to expand to fit its container, so that's nice. Have you thought about implementing draw.io or excalidraw?

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                                          #67

                                          Someone mentioned excalidraw on github also. If it would blend into the rest of the UI I wouldn't mind, I'm not in love with the one I made lol.
                                          Could you make a PR with your changes on github? So far nobody has contributed any CSS changes, and I know I'm not great at design.

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