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Can Germany attract US researchers? | DW News

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    Fair enough. I was considering France and England, too. What are your thoughts on those?

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    For France racist violence against Arabs is quite high from what i know, but given the proximity to Spain i would assume that they are a bit more able to tell apart Iberians and Latinos from Arabs. However French cops are notorious for beating up racialized people as a weekend sport.

    The UK seems to be more diverse and have long established immigrant communities, mainly from the former British colonies. From what i understood both in terms of safety nets and in terms of social acceptance of people "looking brown" the UK is somewhat ahead relative to many mainland EU countries.

    I have only briefly spent time in France however and i have yet to visit the UK, so these can only be a idea of what to look for. On another note. You should also consider the weather, especially sunshine in winter. In Germany Berlin is notorious for having an almost uninterrupted cloud-cover during November and December and many people with a healthier skin color suffer strongly from seasonal depression.

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      The germany subreddit was brutal and said unless you live in Berlin or work for an english speaking company you will have a bad time. Perhaps it has changed more in the last years and it might be easier to get in settled without german. Its famously a tough language to learn. It is also not a 'digital' country which may put people off.

      Have they changen from 8 years to 5 for all? And do they still require non-EU people to give up their other citizenship if they want German citizenships?

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      Berlin has an IT english speaking expat bubble. However when you look at the share of Americans in Germany on a county or city level, Berlin has a lot, but it certainly is not alone. Military bases are also a thing, but pretty much only in the south.

      Have they changen from 8 years to 5 for all? And do they still require non-EU people to give up their other citizenship if they want German citizenships?

      Yes it was changed relativly recently.

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        In my opinion it should be doable with some effort to have the bureaucratic processes in English and not only German, similar to how the Netherlands does it. Same thing about the work requirements. Newcomers should be able to work in English for the first 5 to 10 years until they are integrated into the society.

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        For lecturers I think it is common to have some condition like "must learn the language in X years of employment". Then in germany I know the uni sometimes provide a reference copy in english of all the hiring documents, like contracts. That is, an english translation that is not legally binding, but still a proper traslation. I did not see the same in france nor italy.

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          Berlin has an IT english speaking expat bubble. However when you look at the share of Americans in Germany on a county or city level, Berlin has a lot, but it certainly is not alone. Military bases are also a thing, but pretty much only in the south.

          Have they changen from 8 years to 5 for all? And do they still require non-EU people to give up their other citizenship if they want German citizenships?

          Yes it was changed relativly recently.

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          The 8 to 5 years is a good change.

          Giving up your other citizenship (if you're not an EU/EEA country) is a really tough decision to take.

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            The 8 to 5 years is a good change.

            Giving up your other citizenship (if you're not an EU/EEA country) is a really tough decision to take.

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            Why is it a tough decision? European passports are very "strong". They let you travel most of the world with little to no restrictions.

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              Trump has slashed education funding, meaning many US universities are facing hiring freezes and budget constraints. Economist Monika Schnitzer speaks to DW's Marie Sina about the opportunities for German universities and research institutions to tempt academics and scientists to cross the pond.

              I think this is related to Europe as it may try to take advantage of the current situation in the US to its advantage. This one focuses on Germany.

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              Biggest issue is that german academia is a big clown show even for german natives. There are too few permanent jobs, everything is payed badly and people are already fighting over each position. There is no way that germany can absorb a huge amount of US researchers without increasing spending for universities. Which we won't do.

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                Why is it a tough decision? European passports are very "strong". They let you travel most of the world with little to no restrictions.

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                Travel, but not settle or work. For Americans going back to the US for better salaries is quite realistic. For poorer countries retiring in your country of origin is very attractive.

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                  Is that a legitimate question?

                  You are being asked to give up your nationality which until that point has been your identity and how you interact with the world.

                  One of the first questions you get asked is "where are you from", and if you can't pass for looking and sounding like a German native then the next question is "where are you really from?".

                  It sounds quite arrogant and insincere of you to say and hope that this is not a common thought.

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                    Is that a legitimate question?

                    You are being asked to give up your nationality which until that point has been your identity and how you interact with the world.

                    One of the first questions you get asked is "where are you from", and if you can't pass for looking and sounding like a German native then the next question is "where are you really from?".

                    It sounds quite arrogant and insincere of you to say and hope that this is not a common thought.

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                    Is that a serious response?

                    You're assuming everybody thinks the same way as you do and can't imagine diverse thought. It sounds like you're quite arrogant, stuck in your ways, and easily offended by a harmless question and taking it as a personal attack.

                    Maybe you should take a second to consider that not the entire world has given in to US propaganda on identity politics and that people can be any nationality regardless of what they look. It shows your true colours.

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                    • inenduringgrowstrong@sh.itjust.worksI [email protected]

                      If you can attract researchers by doing absolutely nothing, someone else fucked up.
                      The US is at war with education and academia in general, anywhere that isn't is gonna be attractive to researchers.
                      I almost expect USA refugees in Canada. Certainly, non-WASP, non-cis people could claim being in danger at home.

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                      What's WASP

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                        I think Germany is probably one of the least open countries to remote work. As a reminder, they still use fax for communication with government bodies. Friends of mine have had interviews for job in Germany that were considered "remote" but it turned out they were actually office jobs. They do not see that as lying because you can commute from far away - in the train system that is always late.

                        Remote work is probably more accepted in countries with good, fast internet and progressive values like Denmark, Sweden, and The Netherlands. Traditionalist countries like Germany are probably a little too stuck in their ways.

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                        Is it really that bad? Usually Germany is quite similar to Austria and in Austria many companies offer remote work

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                          What's WASP

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                          White Anglo Saxon Ptotestant

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                            Biggest issue is that german academia is a big clown show even for german natives. There are too few permanent jobs, everything is payed badly and people are already fighting over each position. There is no way that germany can absorb a huge amount of US researchers without increasing spending for universities. Which we won't do.

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                            That is way Zurich is called the City that benefits the most of this tragedy. There are tons of German scientists and Ph.D. students at the prestigious ETH.

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