Netanyahu Says It’s Antisemitic For Israeli Soldiers To Describe Their Own Atrocities
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I, as a random Jew, am not responsible for the actions of the Jewish terrorists in Israel, or any other Jew for that matter. Just like a random Muslim isn’t responsible for the actions of Hamas. It’s pretty insulting to suggest otherwise.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The greatest antisemitism there is, is trying to link the most depraved nation state of the XXI century (so far) and its actions, to all Jewish People, both by its implying that any actions commited by that nation state no matter how depraved and violent are How Jews Behave, and because such "representation by a nation state" would only be possible if "all Jews are the same", both things which are extreme racist takes.
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It's just a common religious tactic. When they do bad things, they get angry at anyone who tried to call them out on it. Even if it's their own people, and they aren't doing it on purpose. Is the hate being supported by their religion? Yes? Then it's religious hate, and needs to be stopped.
Does it matter if it's one religion? Nope, they all do this shit. Radical christians, radical hindu, radical buddhists, etc... Call them out on their bullshit and hate, and you're the bigot. Well, fuck religion and the hate they all spew.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]This kind of shit is a carbon copy of how the Nazis used claims of people being "against the Aryan race" to deflect criticism of the actions of the Nazis.
I think this is religion being weaponized to support the extreme depravity of an ethno-Fascist ideology, rather than an inherent drive in that religion.
In other words, the problem with Religions is not them having an inherent tendency for this kind of thing, is that they are extremely easy to capture and use to support even the most depraved behaviours, being capable of excusing actions well beyond what most other prepackaged belief systems are able to successfully excuse.
In summary, I don't think Religion is a driver of this kind of shit, I think it's an enabler.
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That's Bloodlust... They're ORCS!
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It's so sinister. Latching on to the real history of blood libel to not only reinforce the idea that liberal media lies as a matter of routine, but to simultaneously use that reinforcement to build up the idea that liberals are either secretly antisemetic or too led around by the nose by propaganda to realize their antisemitism.
Of course it's deeply antisemitic for netanyahu to do this. It's also going to be extremely effective.
All those liberals going along with the idea that it's possible to discriminate in a positive way only have themselves to blame when it turned out that their "positive" support of those they perceive as representatives of an ethnicity whom they (the liberals) view as "victims" as whole (i.e. all individuals of that ethnicity, rather than just the actual victims) was just racist prejudice and discrimination and stupidly easy to abuse to support ethnic cleansing (as long as those doing the murdering are from a "victim" race).
Support for any kind of ethnic-wide assumptions about people and different standards of judgement and actions towards them based on their ethnicity, is the very same kind of view of one's fellow human beings as the Nazis had, just with different "good" races and "bad" races.
People should be judged on and treated based on what they support and what they do, not the ethnicity they were born into.
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I really wish genociders would stop calling criticism of genocide "antisemitism". it just nullifies the impact of the word. also as I have said many times before, Palestinians are semites
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They should publish a static list of all things anti-semitic because it seems confusing.
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It’s really not.
I disagree.
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Slavery is still a word and we still all know the word, no question about that, but at least in Europe, legalized slavery isn’t really a concept we need to put a lot of political effort into, because it doesn’t exist any more.
We don’t need to have laws governing how slaves are treated, how the process of freeing slaves go, how former slaves are treated in society. We don’t even need to have discussions about that topic, because there’s no legalized slavery any more.
I guess you have never heard of the UK's 2015 Modern Slavery Act ("An Act to make provision about slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour and about human trafficking, including provision for the protection of victims; to make provision for an Independent Anti-slavery Commissioner; and for connected purposes").
If you web search for any organization or company that's active in the UK, you will find they have a bunch of disclosures and policies relating to slavery. Here are some randoms ones to save your fingers from working too hard:
the NHS,
Apple,
Levi'sThere is movement towards EU-wide anti-slavery legislation.
And in the same vein I think it’s justified to think about whether Jews really still need this protected status over e.g. Muslims or refugees. At least over here, it’s not so rare that e.g. refugee homes are set on fire by right-wing extremists. All sorts of Jewish institutions in my city have a permanent police guard stationed outside of them to protect them from potential attacks, even though they haven’t really happened in decades, while mosques or refugee homes usually don’t have that.
Presumably you have spent
zeromoments looking into the validity of the claim about no attack in decades, just like the one about slavery being a non-issue. I proceed on the premise that you are ignorant and incorrect."Anti semitism" describes a unique and specific form of bigotry which is deeply entrenched in Europe and elsewhere which is influenced by European culture. It's different than anti-black racism, orientalism, or islamiphobia to name a few. They all "deserve" their own words to describe the nuances.
Obviously you should do something about people's houses being set on fire. Jews are are certainly not the primary barrier. I bet if you were to look at people who are in positions to actually do anything, you'll find most of them are Christians. And do you think those cops who are paid to stand around all day as street furniture would really change anything for the better if they were re-deployed? They'd probably assist the arsonists.
Israel is a criminal enterprise from top to bottom. It has many advocates, the most effective and powerful of whom are not jewish, who conduct themselves in heinous fashion. Israel was created after WW2 by europeans who were semi-regretful about the holocaust, but were happy to not have a bunch of poor jewish refugees returning home. And by Europeans who didn't regard the arab or muslim inhabitants of Palestine as human beings. Europe and the US have been in active support and benefiting from Israel's crimes for decades.
We need to be able to use our brains to get through the swamp of propaganda without falling back on old bigotries. Blaming jews for structural problems is one of the core tenants of nazisim. I don't know if you are a nazi or you've just picked up a bit of it through culture, or something in between.
I think you might be falling into reflexive attack patterns instead of actually trying to understand what I am saying.
What I am saying is that all minorities should have the necessary protections, and that Jews are used for "non-Nazi-washing" by a lot of the right-wing speakers.
It's a common argument to claim that one isn't a Nazi because he's for the Israelis mass-killing Muslims in Palestine.
I don’t know if you are a nazi or you’ve just picked up a bit of it through culture, or something in between.
Yep. Sadly only a reflexive attack pattern instead of actual trying to understand what was said.
I have always voted for left parties. I am for human rights for everyone. I am for rights for all minorities including Muslims and Jews. I am pro immigration. I am for trans/LGBTQ+ rights and for abortion rights. I am against genocides being committed regardless of who is committing them. According to you I am a Nazi, totally fits the bill, correct?
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If you generalize the stance away from Jews, "foreigners should go back to their home countries" is a very popular talking point for right-wing politicians, right-wing extremists and nazis.
So it's quite beyond me that anyone would be surprised that they apply the exact same argument to Jews as they use for pretty much every other minority that has a country that they can send them back to.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]they apply the exact same argument to Jews as they use for pretty much every other minority
I think the glaring note is how they consider "Jew" a minority, despite largely being white.
Who does and doesn't qualify as white is a constantly moving goalpost, depending on the attitudes of the current regime.
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It is actually impressive that the leader of Israel is the bad guy
I always find it weird when I remember that Netanyahu is just some dude from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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Radical Buddhists
Now, I am not going to disagree here because I don't know a lot about it, but the only radical Buddhist I ever heard about was a dude who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnamese government oppressing Buddhists in the 60s and monks in China fighting against tyranical rulers that would have exterminated them. Have any radical Buddhists ever hurt others for not believing in their system of faith?
Look into the ongoing Rohingya genocide.
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I disagree.
I respect that. It saddens me though.
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I respect that. It saddens me though.
The atrocities committed by people under the flag of every religion there is saddens me, though.
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Can we make hoarding wealth anti semetic, too? Or bribery of politicians? No? Then let's stop throwing this shit around like it has the same meaning anymore. The calls are from inside the house.
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they apply the exact same argument to Jews as they use for pretty much every other minority
I think the glaring note is how they consider "Jew" a minority, despite largely being white.
Who does and doesn't qualify as white is a constantly moving goalpost, depending on the attitudes of the current regime.
Any group that can be grouped together into a small group is a minority. Don't have to have a separate skin colour for that.
Polish people in Germany are a minority. Turkish people in Austria are a minority. Protestants are a minority in the Republic of Ireland. Gay and trans people are a minority.
The defining factors of a minority in regards to this kind of debates are:
- It's a category that can be used to group people together. The group doesn't have to be internally consistent but are lumped into this group from the outside (e.g. all "foreigners" can be lumped into one group, even though these people are from all sorts of different countries and backgrounds and might not even interact with each other all that much. Like, for example, a white Nazi from Russia is just as much a foreigner as a black hippie from Ghana, even though these two people really have nothing in common.)
- The resulting group is smaller than the majority group.
- Resulting from these facts, the larger majority has the political power to govern the minority group via laws and executive even against the will of the minority group (and often without even understanding the minority group)
- And resulting from that fact, there needs to be some kind of protection against misgovernment against that minority group that isn't large enough to effect actual political change themselves.
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... which is actually anti-semitic because Gazans are Semites too
So do the people that support Netanyahu not recognize this hypocrisy or are they all in on the grift?
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the existence of a specific term is due to pervasive and long standing existence of antisemitism in Europe.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]By that logic there is even more reason for there to be a special word for being prejudiced against the Roma People (for those who don't know, they're commonly called Gypsies).
By the way, the Nazis targetted them as much as they targetted the Jewish People, yet we almost never hear about the genocide of Roma People in the Holocaust.
Two weights two measures, same as always: the Jewish People just went from the "untermenschen" column to the "ubermeschen" one whilst other ethnic groups did not.
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Is Israel trying to give retroactive justification to Germany ca. 1940?
Only if you believe the racist idea that a nation, any nation, can represent everybody who is part of an ethnicity, i.e. and specifically in this case, that Mathematically the group "Jewish People" and the group "Israel and its supporters" are exactly the same group.
If however the group "Israel and it's supporters" is but a subset of the group "Jewish People", then the actions of the subset of the larger group do not justify punishing the wider group, same as, say, the actions of the Ku-Klux-Klan do not justify punishing everbody who is deemed White or the actions of ISIS do not justify punishing everybody who is Muslim.
I think the idea that the actions or victimization of some who are part of a broader group defined by nothing else than the ethnicity they were born into justifies a different treatment of everybody of the broader ethnic group, is THE most common racist trope there is, to the point that even liberals defend that shit (whilst, with zero irony or self awareness, calling it "positive").
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I really wish genociders would stop calling criticism of genocide "antisemitism". it just nullifies the impact of the word. also as I have said many times before, Palestinians are semites
He's such a shit stain towards Jews. He's devaluing the word which is dangerous given he's already done so much to make Jewish people unsafe around the world
The rise of anti-Semitism is for the most part due to his actions post October 6th.
Fuck him. My kids did not fear their half-Jewish heritage. Now they do. What is he doing for Jewish people again?
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Antisemitic has lost all meaning when it just serves to perpetuate genocide.
